*Official* UK off-season 2009/10

[four_or_six]

Amazing that the Hoggster's going from Yorkshire, seems a bit crazy. I wonder where he will end up - Hampshire?

 

[stumpski]

Hoggard and Jones in tandem for Hants would revive a few good memories, don't see him playing for a southern county though somehow. Notts perhaps? Their pace attack was pretty dire last season and of course they don't see much of Broad and Sidebottom. Thought he was older than 32 tbh.

 

[Richard]

It's the impression given if birth-certificates are not checked when what has happened to Hoggard in the last 18 months happens to someone.

Which is why I have said again and again throughout this saga that there simply must be more to it. England and Yorkshire have both discarded Hoggard despite the fact that at the time he was still one of it not the best bowler available to them (albeit in both cases the best of a distinctly moderate bunch), AND despite the fact that he had once been enormously popular in the circles of both.

The only viable conclusion is that he has become seriously good at rubbing people up the wrong way.

It'll be interesting to see what happens, presuming the news of his unpopularity hasn't spread accross the whole county scene and thus no-one wants him, when he signs for whoever he goes to next.

 

[four_or_six]

It's the impression given if birth-certificates are not checked when what has happened to Hoggard in the last 18 months happens to someone.

Which is why I have said again and again throughout this saga that there simply must be more to it. England and Yorkshire have both discarded Hoggard despite the fact that at the time he was still one of it not the best bowler available to them (albeit in both cases the best of a distinctly moderate bunch), AND despite the fact that he had once been enormously popular in the circles of both.

The only viable conclusion is that he has become seriously good at rubbing people up the wrong way.

It'll be interesting to see what happens, presuming the news of his unpopularity hasn't spread accross the whole county scene and thus no-one wants him, when he signs for whoever he goes to next.

He was fat and slow! That was as much the problem as anything.

 

[Richard]

......... yet despite being fat and slow (at least on the face of things) he was STILL better than most\all of the available alternatives!

People don't generally get dropped for no reason. There is no viable playing reason why Hoggard should've been axed from the picture for either England or Yorkshire, so the only logical outcome is that there've been off-field issues.

 

[four_or_six]

......... yet despite being fat and slow (at least on the face of things) he was STILL better than most\all of the available alternatives!

People don't generally get dropped for no reason. There is no viable playing reason why Hoggard should've been axed from the picture for either England or Yorkshire, so the only logical outcome is that there've been off-field issues.

I agree with you wrt Yorkshire. Just heard Hoggy on the radio saying that Tim Bresnan was leading their attack next year! Is that really true?

 

[Richard]

So if you agree with me then clearly that wasn't the only problem. All signs point to some sort of issues of character.

 

[four_or_six]

So if you agree with me then clearly that wasn't the only problem. All signs point to some sort of issues of character.

Quite possibly. Although money could certainly also be the issue, as could some underlying fitness reason that means Yorkshire don't want to give a 3-year contract.

 

[Richard]

Yorkshire have managed to give contracts to cricketers whose fitness was patently not good enough to merit them in the not-so-distant past (Kruis, Rana to name the two most obvious examples). If they've made a long-overdue realisation it'll be... well, long overdue.

 

[Pup Clarke]

He was fat and slow! That was as much the problem as anything.

Fat?

 

[GIMH]

I only skimmed a piece about Hoggy this morning, but I think there was an implication that it was to do with financial incentives for counties for playing younger England-qualified players. dunno.

 

[superkingdave]

The chief exec was on tv earlier saying that Hoggy didn't even bother to turn up to the meeting scheduled to discuss his future. Apparently he also turned down a contract earlier in the season because he wanted more money.

 

[zaremba]

The chief exec was on tv earlier saying that Hoggy didn't even bother to turn up to the meeting scheduled to discuss his future. Apparently he also turned down a contract earlier in the season because he wanted more money.

Nice spinning from Yorkshire. Goodness only knows what the whole truth of this is.

 

[Richard]

The chief exec was on tv earlier saying that Hoggy didn't even bother to turn up to the meeting scheduled to discuss his future. Apparently he also turned down a contract earlier in the season because he wanted more money.

Interesting, and perhaps the first hint of insight into the whole Hoggard-repeated-rejection sagas.

 

[Goughy]

People don't generally get dropped for no reason. There is no viable playing reason why Hoggard should've been axed from the picture for either England or Yorkshire, so the only logical outcome is that there've been off-field issues.

So if you agree with me then clearly that wasn't the only problem. All signs point to some sort of issues of character.

Which is why I have said again and again throughout this saga that there simply must be more to it.

What is the logic of throwing around illinformed opinion that virtually libels a guy?

Anyone that has half an insight knows that this is typical of Yorkshire and is purely a financial, control and age issue.

Quite simply Yorkshire dont like paying for players (bowlers especially) once they reach an age where they require long term big contracts

Yorkshire believe (rightly or wrongly) that they have a long production line of talent that can cheaply plug in the gaps until they themselves get too expensive and the cycle comes full circle.

We see it with Hoggard, we saw it with Gough and we saw it with Sidebottom and Silverwood. All international seam bowlers that Yorkshire would rather release and replace with youngsters than pay longterm big contracts.

Yorkshire CCC is tight with its purse strings and still operates slightly different to other counties with an air of arrogance and importance (both a good thing and a hinderance). No player is sacred (unless you were called Boycott).

The new rules may also have played a role but the traditional reasons are fundamental as to why this happened.

Noone should be suprised by this. This is how Yorkshire do business. The Academy is key (though not as strong as previously IMO) as is the belief that any player can be replaced for a cheaper one. Yorkshire dont like paying big long term contracts for players and then seeing their talented Academy players (that they invested in) move on to other Counties due to lack of opportunities. It is not an ideal business model but it is how they work.

As long as Yorkshire keeps producing far more talent that any other County then this may work but it is dangerous if the talent starts to dry up or the tightfistedness becomes even more part of the culture.

 

[zaremba]

Dear Goughy

Tightfistedness at Yorkshire? Never!

Yours

Pope Zaremba the First (Catholic)

 

[zaremba]

Monty Panesar has been linked with a move to Durham.




However that report only mentions the rumoured interest from Warwickshire, Sussex, Middlesex and Surrey.

 

[Richard]

What is the logic of throwing around illinformed opinion that virtually libels a guy?

Anyone that has half an insight knows that this is typical of Yorkshire and is purely a financial, control and age issue.

Quite simply Yorkshire dont like paying for players (bowlers especially) once they reach an age where they require long term big contracts

Yorkshire believe (rightly or wrongly) that they have a long production line of talent that can cheaply plug in the gaps until they themselves get too expensive and the cycle comes full circle.

We see it with Hoggard, we saw it with Gough and we saw it with Sidebottom and Silverwood. All international seam bowlers that Yorkshire would rather release and replace with youngsters than pay longterm big contracts.

Yorkshire CCC is tight with its purse strings and still operates slightly different to other counties with an air of arrogance and importance (both a good thing and a hinderance). No player is sacred (unless you were called Boycott).

The new rules may also have played a role but the traditional reasons are fundamental as to why this happened.

Noone should be suprised by this. This is how Yorkshire do business. The Academy is key (though not as strong as previously IMO) as is the belief that any player can be replaced for a cheaper one. Yorkshire dont like paying big long term contracts for players and then seeing their talented Academy players (that they invested in) move on to other Counties due to lack of opportunities. It is not an ideal business model but it is how they work.

As long as Yorkshire keeps producing far more talent that any other County then this may work but it is dangerous if the talent starts to dry up or the tightfistedness becomes even more part of the culture.

As I say - in some respects said policy makes sense, but it flies in the face of some recent dealings, with the likes of Kruis and Rana Naved-ul-Hasan. And also the fact that Gough was re-engaged after leaving.

Also not entirely sure Sidebottom fits the mould, as he left before he had become serious quality and has upped his game to international standard since leaving.

And perhaps it's unduly harsh on Hoggard on my part to say what I have done; so there's two options. One, he's become good at rubbing people up the wrong way; two, he's become good at attracting incredibly unfair treatment from a hell of a lot of different quarters.

 

[Richard]

Monty Panesar has been linked with a move to Durham.




However that report only mentions the rumoured interest from Warwickshire, Sussex, Middlesex and Surrey.

Haha, would be very funny to see MSP move to Durham purely from a CW POV. Think the reasons for that should be obvious.

Either way, don't see it being a beneficial career move - only rarely is moving away from Northants so for a spinner (look at Jason Brown). Graeme Swann is an exception.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Carberry and Moore named in Performance Squad | England Cricket News | Cricinfo.com

Means jack **** though. In Australia for instance the A team and so on actually means something. In England it's just a means of fobbing off guys like Mark Davies - ooh look here you go be the best ****ing bowler by far in county cricket and on the A tours then we'll go back to ****ing donkeys like Mahmood and Khan.