Bond, Shane Bond

[Richard]

It may have simply not been possible for him to make the necessary changes and bowl with any sort of pace and accuracy. You mustn't underestimate the value of the natural bowling action. Slight changes may be necessary and may indeed help, but the natural action for many, is all that feels comfortable.

While a natural action that feels comfortable is indeed useful, the essential biomechanics remain the same whether something is natural or manufactured in the individual. The point I was making about Flintoff is that the biomechs of changing his ankle position would not have reduced his pace; for Bond using less spring in his back would have (if what some are saying is right - has) done.

Anyway I'd say in the Flintoff case that he'd have done best to have avoided all the injuries first then worried about it feeling a bit awkward to start with next.

I'd disagree here, Akhtar's hyperflexibility in all of his joints is ideal for a fast bowler and gives him the sort of elastic stretch and snap effect that could make his pace unmatched, in his prime.

Is it the hyperextensions that have caused all his injury problems? If so that's news to me.

 

[Polo23]

Absolutely nothing to do with debating my opinion - people who are willing to do so in a mature and sensible way (who number most of this forum) I'm quite happy to have rational discussion with. There's ample evidence that ol' "Polo23" doesn't fit that category, however, and if you look at his posts in reply to me over his time here you'll see why.

You need to stop taking yourself so seriously.

How exactly was my reply to you in this thread anything other than debating your opinion? I corrected you and you couldn't handle it so called me a troll. Congratulations.

 

[Manee]

Is it the hyperextensions that have caused all his injury problems? If so that's news to me.

It is possible, but not really the point. Noting that he was "not really built" for bowling quickly would be inaccurate regarding Akhtar.

 

[Richard]

You need to stop taking yourself so seriously.

Rough translation - "you need to stop being at all bothered about yourself".

How exactly was my reply to you in this thread anything other than debating your opinion? I corrected you and you couldn't handle it so called me a troll. Congratulations.

No, you used exactly the same attempted patronising tone you've used directed at me before, mostly being plain wrong-headed and making a fool of yourself (such as the time you thought I was a biased Australian). Whether you were right on this occasion is neither here nor there (I'm not saying you neccessarily aren't), the intention was exactly the same as it ever has been. You seem to think I haven't come accross posters like you before - I have, and I can tell how to dissimilate one's attitude to me.

 

[Richard]

It is possible, but not really the point. Noting that he was "not really built" for bowling quickly would be inaccurate regarding Akhtar.

One of the most important things about being built for bowling quickly is one's ability to withstand the phenomenal stress it puts on the body and not break down regularly. Shoaib and Bruce Reid were both incredibly talented bowlers who could, on the rare-ish occasion they were fit enough, do all sorts with the ball and be near-unplayable. But they both lacked the strength and durability so crucial in outstanding bowlers.

 

[Days of Grace]

And probably in Shoaib's case, also the mental staying power.

 

[Polo23]

Rough translation - "you need to stop being at all bothered about yourself".

No, you used exactly the same attempted patronising tone you've used directed at me before, mostly being plain wrong-headed and making a fool of yourself (such as the time you thought I was a biased Australian). Whether you were right on this occasion is neither here nor there (I'm not saying you neccessarily aren't), the intention was exactly the same as it ever has been. You seem to think I haven't come accross posters like you before - I have, and I can tell how to dissimilate one's attitude to me.

I'm not going to pretend I value your opinion. You needed to be corrected and I did that, it was entirely necessary to the conversation that was taking place.

The intention was to correct someone who didn't know what they were talking about, if you take that as a personal insult then that's an issue you'll have to deal with yourself.

I couldn't care less what kind of posters you've come across before. I don't take internet forums seriously enough to be bothered. Also, i've made no secret of my attitude towards you, I believe it's similar to your attitude towards everyone.

 

[Richard]

Well you're wrong (you know absolutely nothing of my attitudes towards, well, anyone really, on this forum), same way you're wrong in just about all your thoughts regarding me, and same way you're wrong to treat internet forums with disdain.

BTW I knew perfectly well what I was talking about, I may have been slightly wrong on some of the particulars, that remains to be seen. Your intention was to make an idiotic I-know-better-than-you-hahahaha post, which is seen quite palpably by the tone of it.

 

[James]

I'm not going to pretend I value your opinion. You needed to be corrected and I did that, it was entirely necessary to the conversation that was taking place.

The intention was to correct someone who didn't know what they were talking about, if you take that as a personal insult then that's an issue you'll have to deal with yourself.

I couldn't care less what kind of posters you've come across before. I don't take internet forums seriously enough to be bothered. Also, i've made no secret of my attitude towards you, I believe it's similar to your attitude towards everyone.

Well you're wrong (you know absolutely nothing of my attitudes towards, well, anyone really, on this forum), same way you're wrong in just about all your thoughts regarding me, and same way you're wrong to treat internet forums with disdain.

BTW I knew perfectly well what I was talking about, I may have been slightly wrong on some of the particulars, that remains to be seen. Your intention was to make an idiotic I-know-better-than-you-hahahaha post, which is seen quite palpably by the tone of it.

Guys, can we please end this before either of you take it a step too far. It's completely un-necessary and is clearly taking the thread off the topic others are wanting to discuss around Shane Bond.

Thanks.

 

[Days of Grace]

So what now for Bond?

What are his long-term and short-term goals?

Short-team I want to see him have a go at the Aussies in the two-test series. And long-term I want him to go until the World Cup in 2011.

 

[Uppercut]

Get fit and get bowling as soon as he's ready. His natural class will do the rest.

Same as it ever was.

 

[Flem274*]

He's sticking in. Top bloke. Must be a hard man to keep having the heart to keep coming back, especially when you look at other injury prone guys like Oram and Nash who chucked it in (understandably) in their early thirties.

Wants to do some coaching after he retires too I hear.

Would be great to get him alongside all these young bowlers we have around the traps domestically.

 

[Days of Grace]

I don't think he will announce his retirement after this latest injury, because why would you spend all that energy making a comeback but give it all away after just a minor injury?

However, the high of the University Oval followed by this setback must really get him down and thoughts of immediate retirement may have crossed his mind.

God, I hope he plays until the 2011 world cup.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Supposedly one of the real nice guys of world cricket, a ripping bloke. Hope he plays a big part in a NZ series win against one of the current big three (Aus, SA, Ind) before he retires.

 

[Richard]

However, the high of the University Oval followed by this setback must really get him down and thoughts of immediate retirement may have crossed his mind.

This surely must be a pattern that's repeated itself in Bond's case on any number of occasions now. At some point he's surely got to give-up and retire like everyone does, but there's no way we'll know which time it is that it happens.

 

[NZTailender]

If you haven't read the other thread, the injury is minor and he's not playing as a precaution so he can be fully fit for when the Aussies roll around. Him announcing his retirement probably won't happen just yet

 

[Athlai]

This surely must be a pattern that's repeated itself in Bond's case on any number of occasions now. At some point he's surely got to give-up and retire like everyone does, but there's no way we'll know which time it is that it happens.

I thought he had already retired Rich

 

[Zinzan]

Na mate we searched for it and it didn't exist, had a lengthy argument with him about it.

Though in Richard's defense it isn't a ridiculous notion, but Bond never came out and publicly said he was giving up Test cricket. Thats all I'm saying.

Haha, can clarify this now, a mate reminded me the other day that we heard Bond say/suggest he was considering giving up Test cricket on a radio-sport interview after his injury against SA in late '07. He remembered it because we went on to have a heated debate whether Bond should concentrate on Test or ODI's at the time.

So it's probably not that surprising you couldn't find the quote on the net since not everything said on radio interviews goes to print.

 

[Prince EWS]

Haha, someone debates Richards opinion so he calls them a troll. Poor.

Tuffey.

 

[Flem274*]

Tuffey.

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