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IPL hurting the international game

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Warne is wrong. Although he does have the best interest of the game in hand.

Even in ODIs are abolished & test players play more domestic cricket. It will enhance the quality of domestic cricket yes, but it wont aide in the countries developing better talent for test cricket.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Hughes is smarter will play county crickey so he can develop his game,which ipl is yet to be proved to do.
He doesn't (and really can't) have to develop his game playing county cricket. Hughes 'game' which apparently now is questionable in test cricket, was far too good for county attacks. Hardly anyone in county cricket has the pace to put him on the back foot.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Risks in too much Twenty20 - Hadlee

Sir Richard Hadlee believes Twenty20 adds a welcome dimension to cricket, but there has to be a balance struck that preserves 'the pure contest' of a test.

Sir Richard Hadlee has added his voice to the growing concerns over the amount of Twenty20 cricket being played, fearing it could consume the game.

Hadlee, who has just released his latest book, Changing Pace, worries that the five-day matches on which the game has been built could be submerged under a welter of inconsequential T20 tournaments.

He said the International Cricket Council needed to take a strong stance on striking a balance with the different forms of the game, saying it was in danger of doing a disservice to the great players whose deeds had created the game's legacy.


Hadlee, one of the greatest all-rounders in the history of cricket, who captured 431 test wickets and scored over 3000 test runs, was at pains to say he felt T20 had added a welcome dimension with a new skill set. And its short time frame attracted more people and money to the game.

"But there has to be a balance struck which preserves test cricket and the pure contest between bat and ball over five days,'' he said.

Hadlee was concerned to hear talk of dressing up the game by reducing tests to four days, playing under lights and introducing coloured clothing and balls.

"No, no, no, no, no. Test cricket has been played for 120-plus years and has a wonderful heritage and traditions, and produced great contests of fitness, skill and endurance.''

He suggested T20 cricket could be called by a new name to differentiate it from the first-class product.

"Limited-over matches, because of their restrictions, change the contest and skills.'' Hadlee noted the encroachment of the T20 game on the traditional game in just the few years it had been on the international scene.

"Already I see the IPL (Indian Premier League) wanting to expand the number of teams and matches being played. That might benefit them, but I don't see how that benefits the game worldwide.

"World cricket should not just shut down because they want to play a franchise-based competition which features mainly Indian players supplemented by some from other countries.''


Hadlee cited a world T20 tournament in June in England being followed by another next April in the Caribbean as overkill.

"There is a novelty factor at the moment but you need time between the events to make them something special.''

Hadlee felt it was difficult for players to prepare properly for the varying versions of the game given the frequency with which they chopped and changed.

"It must be hard for the modern day player trying to do justice to all three versions, and you are now seeing players specialising in one form or another, which may happen increasingly,'' he said.

Hadlee said the number of 20-over tournaments had the potential to be extremely divisive for the game, as already the New Zealand players on IPL contracts had been torn between cash and country.

"You can't blame them for that, although the man in the street may say what about loyalty to the national team which gave you the opportunities to make a name for yourself.

"But if the chances are there to make money from it and set yourself and your family up for life after cricket, then why would the players not jump at the chances when they present themselves?''

However, Hadlee felt many past top players would be spinning in their graves if their ability was judged on their strike-rate over a 10-ball innings or run concession and wicket-taking prowess from four overs.

Hadlee was comfortable with the concept of a test championship which has been mooted, where teams play a sudden-death system to find semifinalists and a final.

He also said contracting more players may be necessary given the upsurge of T20 matches.

The former New Zealand selection panel convener said he favoured an overall manager of the Black Caps team, like an Alex Ferguson with Manchester United.

"You would have a coach and staff who do their job, the captain and his players and the national selectors. They would all end up being responsible to a manager who oversaw the whole operation.''

Hadlee felt that would get away from the coach always being blamed for a poorly performed team, when often it was the players who were letting him down.

Hadlee also wondered if New Zealand teams would ever be able to overcome their inconsistencies.

``While we have some very good players, we don't seem to have the players who can regularly replicate their skills over a succession of test or one-day matches to win consistently. Improving skill levels is a must.''

Meanwhile, Hadlee said the proposed American Premier League, which had asked him to be a consultant, now appeared to be "a dead duck''.

Hadlee said an American investor had floated launching the T20 competition later this year, but nothing had been heard in recent months
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Hadlee also doubted if the apex body would act against T20’s biggest extravaganza, the Indian Premier League, given the monetary attraction it carries!

“We are in grave danger of having the decision makers betraying the game of cricket,” Hadlee told NZPA.

Everything evolves and things keep changing, but this is a revolution within the game of cricket. It’s new, marketable, successful and brings in huge money. The danger is overkill, that you have too much of it, and it swamps other forms of the game and compromises them.”

“If one format of the game like Twenty20 consumes the game as much as it is doing now - and potentially in the future - it is destroying the game of cricket as a total concept. The IPL is franchise cricket, it is club cricket; it is not international cricket.”

“We are two years into it and you can see potentially that there will be more and more of it. It will consume the game. Once it has gone too far and people have grown bored with it, it will have destroyed test cricket and probably 50-over cricket.”

The statement from Hadlee came soon the Australian spin-legend Shane Warne, on Monday, called for the abolition of ODI cricket, and said that, players should be playing only Test and T20 matches.

However, Hadlee’s concern is more for Test cricket, which, he asserts is the ultimate, original and true form of the game.

“A lot of players today would say they enjoy test cricket more than anything else,” Hadlee said. “The point is they are also faced with the other forms of the game where for less effort the rewards are 10 times greater.”

“We all know now that Asia, and more particularly India, have a more powerful say [at ICC level) because they generate that much more a higher percentage of revenue, which other countries benefit from. So, who protects the game? The decision makers on the ICC have to try and control it so that all the games can co-exist and live together.”​
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
G R Vishwanath

Vishwanath said that one-dayers are fast becoming "boring".
"The ICC needs to do something quickly. The important point here is that T20 has gained immense amount of prominence today.
"It is showing in everything. If you play three ODIs and three T20s, you can see the difference in crowds," Vishwanath said.
"One-day format is becoming a little boring because people have now been exposed to Twenty20. If we continue to play more Twenty20s I am afraid 50-over format will struggle to survive," he said.
"Youngsters have started enjoying T20"
Vishwanath feels even Test cricket is feeling the T20 heat and the ICC should come up with a revitalising formula soon.
"A lot of youngsters have started enjoying Twenty20 cricket. Look at the Indian Premier League for example; there were packed crowds for T20 games in South Africa, even though it was an Indian domestic tournament.
"The problem is that maybe in our country the fans want to watch lots of T20 and ODIs and are not able to devote time to Test cricket
. However, the ICC is chalking out plans to revitalise Test cricket and we can only hope for the best," he told a cricket website.
However, Vishwanath warned against introducing coloured clothings or coloured balls to bring in the crowds in Test matches.
"I cannot blame the ICC for trying to repackage it since it is fast losing interest, at least in countries besides Australia and England.
"I support the idea of day-night Tests and even four-day Tests to some extent, but I am completely against coloured clothing and coloured balls. It will completely ruin the essence of Test cricket," he explained.
"The biggest problem is the T20 format"
Vishwanath also spoke of the dangers of exposing young cricketers to T20, saying that more money for less cricket may end up being too big a temptation to ignore.
"The biggest problem is the T20 format. There is so much money involved and a youngster can just play a couple of T20 seasons and he is secured. It is not a good sign. We need to give Ranji Trophy and Duleep Trophy more prominence,"
he said.
"That is the only way to ensure that youngsters will treasure and pride the longer versions of the game and go on to become good Test cricketers.
"It is all up to the individuals. If a youngster wants to truly play Test cricket and achieve great heights like Tendulkar and Dravid, he will focus on the job," he added.​
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Clive Lloyd
"Cash-rich T20 out to destroy cricket"
Clive Lloyd feels Andrew Flintoff has set a dangerous precedent by quitting Tests for the lure of T20 and the money it offers.
"Would some of these guys have retired if there was no Twenty20? It is obvious if I'm being paid USD 1.5 million and I don't have to put in too much work then, yes, I'll go the other way," the West Indies legend said at the ICC History Conference at Oxford on Thursday.
"It is a bit unfortunate Flintoff decided to leave Test cricket and he knows his body and know how bad his ankle is but he is a tremendous cricketer. But the point is he is not going to play for Lancashire - he will play for England in the ODIs and Twenty20. The point is it is destroying the fabric of the game," the former West Indies captain said.
Worried that more players may tread the path of Flintoff, Lloyd said he would be happy if international cricketers retired late in their career.

"When a player retires in his prime and when you have poured all that money on him to get him where he is now and then he leaves that is a bother for me.
"Like Dwayne Bravo, if he decides to leave halfway (into his career) that is not a situation I would like. I would like a situation where people leave later on and there is a natural progression of young players. But I can tell you there are a few more people coming up shortly to announce retirements if this goes on," he warned.
Citing the example of the current West Indies side which is good in Twenty20 but has been struggling in Tests, Lloyd said the huge amount of money being paid in lucrative T20 tournaments is affecting the traditional format of the game.
"We are suffering from that at the moment and I think other countries, too, might. Our countries are probably the second-best players in the world. We are paying guys an obscene amount of money -- USD 60,000 for one Twenty20 game when he might not bat or bowl. It is destroying the other two components of the game," he said.
"If Test cricket is the type of cricket we want people to recognise the game by then we have to put a little bit more money into it so players are better paid. We can't just think it will chug along."​
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Explain how not?
Use a simple example of English players ability againts spin. Even if all the international players play county cricket & improve the standard - the ability of Eng bats againts spin won't improve.

I can pick other minor examples in the other weak doemstic structures of Asia, WI & NZ. But i guess you see my point. ODI still has merit, 7-match ODI series is the only thing that should be banned. In the future you should have 3 ODIs & 3 T20s per series.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Saviour or predator?
Ian Chappell

In order to return Test cricket to a more prestigious position, a number of issues need to be resolved. However there are two chances - Buckley's and none - of this happening while the ICC remains heavily politicised and consumed with self-interest
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
The sixes don't add up
Ian Chappell

The sixes don't add up | Opinion | Cricinfo Magazine | Cricinfo.com

Why it's not good for cricket that batsmen are hitting it out of the park more regularly than ever
Big Chapelli is on the ball here. I personally don't mind bats improving from what i was during the 70s (hopefully no addition improvements are ever made) - it would have been superb if Viv Richards played with the modern day bat.

But boundaries dont need to decreased, grounds like St.kitts shouldn't host international matches - 75 metres should be the minimum standard distance. The ICC also needs to invest alot of money in development of pitches, thats the only way pitches can improve.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
That was nearly four years ago. Today do we need to ask the question in the thread title ?
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
It hurts Indian cricket first and foremost . . .

There are some genuine problems associated with the IPL culture which many tend to brush under the carpet. Today, in the Indian Express, there is a riveting piece on one such issue that affects the first class game in India.

HAVES AND HAVE-NOTS
Aditya Iyer
Indian Express
26th May 2013


This is the early '90s and you are an aspiring cricketer, on the verge of a first-class debut. You dream of taking the field with those oversized men with crooked moustaches, men whose feet you've squatted below and listened to tales of travelling and playing in the polytechnic institute in Agartala and the railway ground in Dhanbad. Or in the municipal complex in Thrissoor and the school field in Gulbarga. Then you do.
You spend nights linseeding your bat and white-taping its chipped edges. You spend days bruising those very bandages, with dabs to point or swishes to square-leg. Style, anyway, was never much your game. You stonewall your way to a 1000 Ranji Trophy runs, and your heroes (now your mates) throw you a chai and biscuit party in the evening. You steal a smile or two, for you know you have begun to climb the hierarchical ladder.

It is now the late 2000s and you, an oversized man with a crooked moustache, have 6000 first-class runs or 7000. You're never sure. Children in shorts and teenagers in whites scatter around your chair, eyes wide and ears pricked, hanging on to every stale narration of that incident at Mysore or that innings in Meerut. You see them off on their respective journeys, where they promise to achieve their ambitions and secretly dream of becoming just like you. You have no international recognition, but your domestic reputation is intact. You have respect.

Then those skinny boys return with their big contracts and fat wallets and flashy cars and high-end watches and call you 'bro' and want to sit on your chair and narrate stories of fast cities and faster women and a holiday to Vegas. They look at you differently and wonder why you, in your mid-30s, even bother to put in those yards for five months of the year between November and March. For between April and May, after all, is when the real cricket is played. The IPL has happened and for you, a little deeper than just personally, cricket will just not be the same again.

Ever since its inception in 2008, the Indian Premier League has left traditional domestic cricket in its wake. In the initial few seasons, it was observed that three sixes in the 18th over of the game could do for you what 5000 runs scored over a decade in first-class cricket perhaps couldn't — get you access to the national team. But now, over time and far more brutally, it has left a devastating gorge between the cricketers themselves — changing the very core of their dressing room dynamics. That divide, as the former India Test opener and current Himachal Pradesh captain Aakash Chopra likes to put it, is that of the haves and the have-nots.

A BITTER TASTE

"There is a clear-cut distinction. Players with IPL contracts are revered a little more, and considered to be in a different league, within the normal peer circles in a team. People who haven't got IPL contracts feel a slight resentment, a bitter taste in the mouth — the feeling that, just because he's younger, or can hit the long ball, he's getting a contract and not me. It's quite visible," says Chopra, who moved from Delhi, a side crowded with IPL players, in 2010 to a lower-key side in Rajasthan and instantly became a part of two Ranji Trophy wins.

"That distinction has never been encouraged by the coaches. Certain coaches have had to prohibit any mention or talk of the IPL, because a lot of conversations tended to revolve around it. Some coaches felt it took attention away from the Ranji Trophy."

One of those coaches, in all likelihood, was the one Chopra played under at Rajasthan, Tarak Sinha. Having cut his teeth in the Delhi club circuit, Sinha grew in stature as his wards flooded the Indian cricket team. Then, having won two Ranji titles for Rajasthan, he moved base to the cricketing outpost of Jharkhand last season. But even before the ink could dry on his contract and his quest to uplift a failing state side could begin, Sinha received plenty of warning calls.

"Before I took over, I was told that Saurabh Tiwary had a habit of making lives difficult for the coaches. The Jharkhand dressing room had issues with him. He was labelled as arrogant and aloof, and someone who always carried his IPL attitude to the state team," Sinha says. Tiwary, the Dhoni wannabe, was one of the finds of the third IPL season, and his big-hitting for Mumbai Indians in 2010 didn't go unnoticed by the selectors, who awarded him an India cap.

A star is born

He didn't play another game after his ODI debut. But still, he was now a star, of international repute, and could therefore command an auction fee. Royal Challengers Bangalore snapped him up for $1.6 million. Even in the Jharkhand dressing room, he was an RCB boy.

"I was aghast to see everyone wanting to be seen as an individual. IPL players would come to practise wearing franchise kits, intimidating others with their glamour," says coach Sinha. "I had a one-on-one session with Tiwary. It was important to manage him differently. I told him that he was a senior player of this side, and a lot would depend on his performance. I explained that he had to play for Jharkhand and not for himself. He scored 602 runs in the domestic season gone by. We qualified for the quarter-finals."

Sinha lost his job despite Jharkhand's success. He was replaced by Subroto Banerjee — a man who served as a consultant for Mumbai Indians and is said to share a great rapport with Tiwary.

Through the prism

Some cases aren't as clear cut as a player sporting his IPL gear at the Ranji nets. Wicketkeeper Mahesh Rawat, who had played the first two seasons with Rajasthan Royals, was suspended on disciplinary grounds for yelling expletives at a few Railways veterans — including the then captain Murali Kartik — in the 2009-10 season. Why, you may ask? He was reportedly asked to up the scoring rate in a Ranji game. This tirade may or may not have had anything to do with the IPL, but such incidents tend to get viewed through that prism.

"Some young players don't believe in respecting their seniors anymore. The basic cricketing culture seems to have taken a backseat. There was always a gap between the seniors and juniors in a side before. It was the gap of respect," says Railways coach Abhay Sharma. "The only way that such youngsters will learn a lesson is if the IPL franchises are in constant touch with the state teams they borrow players from. Bad behaviour at the state level, and the IPL contract should be whisked away."

Sharma's line of thought suggests that the big-money contract should be used to pull them back in line. Chopra's preferred adage, on the other hand, goes: dangle it like a carrot. "Tell them, if you do well, you could get an opportunity in the IPL. But you have to make it clear that the contract has no bearing on their position in the side," he says.

"We have to be pragmatic, understand where these kids are coming from. It's a legitimate desire for them. The IPL gives them money, and provides a platform. People have been picked for India, across formats, because of it. From nobody to somebody is a question of 30 runs or a few good overs."

Some of those 'few good overs' were bowled in one IPL by Rudra Pratap Singh. In the 2010-11 Ranji season, RP was the 30th highest wicket-taker in the tournament. Then the 2011 IPL happened, and for Kochi Tuskers Kerala (now defunct) the left-arm seamer managed a few decent performances — a couple of two-fors and a four-wicket haul. It was good enough to put him on a plane to England a couple of months later, and feature in the fourth Test for India at the Oval.

A question of attitude

Since then, RP featured sporadically for Uttar Pradesh in the 2011-12 season and didn't appear at all in 2012-13. Yet, this April, almost magically, there he was in Royal Challengers Bangalore colours, playing under the watchful eye of bowling coach Venkatesh Prasad, who, incidentally, was also UP coach the same season.

"If I say that I never had issues with any player because of his work ethic or attitude, I would be lying," says Prasad. "I won't name them, but some of the players who are earning big in the IPL, and have been on the fringe as far as the Indian team is concerned, throw their weight around. Attitude problems, as they say."

So, as somebody who successfully toggles between IPL and domestic coaching avatars, how would Prasad deal with the impudent from the following season? "We have got to lay down the rules very clearly with such players and let them know that they are getting their IPL contracts only because of their performances in first-class cricket. And they shouldn't be short-sighted only about the IPL," Prasad says.

"If their hunger for success is satisfied with an IPL contract, however good it may be, they will fade away very quickly."


(With inputs from Shamik Chakrabarty, Vinayak Padmadeo and Karthik Krishnaswamy)
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
It hurts the Indian game first and foremost . . .

"IPL youngsters return to glamour-less Ranji and get confused"
Wasim Jaffer talking to Bharat Sundaresan of Indian Express

Many of these young guys have never been exposed to the kind of lifestyle they witness during the IPL. Few of them have been privy to foreign culture. And suddenly they find themselves in the midst of some great international cricketers.
They are obviously overwhelmed by the glitz and the glamour. They see these great overseas players and more often than not pick up the wrong things. The youngsters conveniently ignore the hard work and preparation that the amazing cricketers put in and focus more on their off-field customs. Be it drinking, having women around, late night parties and everything else that lead to bad habits. Our boys forget that it's not our culture, but the foreigners'. And they end up inculcating these habits.

They feel that if these great cricketers can drink and party and still play such good cricket, why can't we? They forget the many hours of practice and sacrifices that have been made by the greats to reach the level they have.

The youngsters return to the Ranji setup and don't see the glamour and the glitz, and in a way, get confused. They try to be different personalities and end up losing their identity. The sad part is that in many cases you see it affecting their cricket, with the bad habits having entered their system. They find the atmosphere in the first-class dressing-room not stimulating enough without the same money and presence of world-class cricketers. The boys tend to go through their motions more than working harder on their games.

I've experienced it first hand in the Mumbai dressing-room as well as in other domestic teams across the country. One or two performances in the IPL and they think they've arrived. And after the IPL season, you will hear them speaking in weird accents, buying designer wear, fancy cars, expensive watches and what not. I have no problem with them earning a lot. But they don't seem to have the maturity to know where to spend it, especially the guys who come from very humble backgrounds.

I've also noticed that after one decent season in the IPL, their attitudes change completely towards even the senior players in their respective domestic teams. It's almost like they demand respect from us. Like they expect that we go up to them and show our respect rather than following the natural order of things. They want to be treated like divas.

They stop mingling with the juniors in the team, and start living in their own world. There are two guys I've seen go through something similar in the Mumbai dressing-room. In the long run though, I'm confident that they will realise that their priorities are wrong and probably try and mend their ways.


Source : ‘IPL youngsters return to glamour-less Ranji and get confused’ - See more at: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/-ipl-youngsters-return-to-glamourless-ranji-and-get-confused-/1120771/0#sthash.ntoWdFsz.dpuf
 

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