*Official Third Test at Edgbaston

[Neil Pickup]

As far as I'm concerned, Australia can continue to be potentially better than us if we keep on winning.

 

[four_or_six]

Reckon he's telling porkies to get Hauritz's confidence up, myself.
Failing that though, yes he would be kidding himself. You don't have to be clueless to kid yourself; just biased. As you've shown, many times.

Warne is funny with the things he says sometimes. He also has Watson at 78 in his 'top 100 test cricketers of all time' book. Which, much as I love Watto, is pretty amusing.

 

[Jarquis]

Reckon he's telling porkies to get Hauritz's confidence up, myself.
Failing that though, yes he would be kidding himself. You don't have to be clueless to kid yourself; just biased. As you've shown, many times.

 

[Ikki]

I'll take someone who has played and nine Tests (regardless of his performances in them) and a First Class average of 46 in Australia and England over someone with a Test average of 31 after 77 Tests and a First Class average of 33. Without question.

Anyone who thinks Flintoff's a better batsman than Watson is kidding themselves as much as the guy who thinks Watson's the better cricketer.

Watson averages 29 and strikes at 50 in FC cricket. Flintoff on his day can be good, and has been, hence why he is superior to Watson, but if Watson were to get a fair run without injuries I think he'd do better in both departments.

 

[Ikki]

No, but Flintoff could get into the England side if he couldn't bat, but Watson couldn't get into the Aussie side if he couldn't bat.

er what? Watson could get into the English side as a pure bat and a pure bowler alone. If Stuart Broad is there, half the known world could. Flintoff wouldn't get into the Aussie side as either.

 

[91Jmay]

Watson averages 29 and strikes at 50 in FC cricket. Flintoff on his day can be good, and has been, hence why he is superior to Watson, but if Watson were to get a fair run without injuries I think he'd do better in both departments.

I can't even be bothered to point out how hilarious this arguement is.

So Andrew Flintoff has had 77 totally injury free, painless test matches?

 

[Ikki]

Where has Warne said Haurtiz is as good as Swann.

All i've heard him say is how impressed he has been with Swann and how he has never seen someone bowl as fast and turn the ball as much.

Which other spinners could Australia pick?

Bryce McGain? Terrible
Cameron White? more of a batsmen isn't he, or is he just that bad a bowler?
Beau Casson
Jason Krezja

Wouldn't even want them in an English squad.

"I reckon [Hauritz] is as just as good as Graeme Swann if not better"

 

[PhoenixFire]

er what? Watson could get into the English side as a pure bat and a pure bowler alone. If Stuart Broad is there, half the known world could. Flintoff wouldn't get into the Aussie side as either.

Are you trying to tell me that Siddle is a better bowler than Flintoff?

On what basis do you think Watson could get into England team on his bowling alone. Trying to justify that by using Broad as an example is nonsence because if Broad couldn't bat, he wouldn't be in the team.

 

[Ikki]

Reckon he's telling porkies to get Hauritz's confidence up, myself.
Failing that though, yes he would be kidding himself. You don't have to be clueless to kid yourself; just biased. As you've shown, many times.

But if you're clueless, as you've shown here , then you can't know you're kidding yourself. So Prince EWS knows more than Warne. Ok, Richard 2.0.

 

[Jamee999]

@ Flintoff not getting into the Australian side.

 

[Prince EWS]

er what? Watson could get into the English side as a pure bat and a pure bowler alone. If Stuart Broad is there, half the known world could. Flintoff wouldn't get into the Aussie side as either.

Broad himself wouldn't make the England team if he couldn't bat, though. Watto would have to make it in front of Onions and given England have a bloke with a First Class bowling average of 22 who they don't pick because of - and get this - injury concerns, I don't think Watto would have much of a chance of getting in, myself.

He'd make England's team on batting alone, IMO, but not bowling.

 

[PhoenixFire]

But if you're clueless, as you've shown here , then you can't know you're kidding yourself. So Prince EWS knows more than Warne. Ok, Richard 2.0.

Just because Warne happens to have been a very good player doesn't automatically mean that people who aren't as good as him might have a better judgement on a player.

 

[Ikki]

Are you trying to tell me that Siddle is a better bowler than Flintoff?

Not currently, but he is there to be better than Flintoff. Do you appreciate the difference? A specialist fast bowler like Siddle would not stay in the Aussie side bowling if he were to only bowl as well as Flintoff. He is in the squad because he has the talent and is expected to be better.

On what basis do you think Watson could get into England team on his bowling alone. Trying to justify that by using Broad as an example is nonsence because if Broad couldn't bat, he wouldn't be in the team.

Well, you can't really point to Tests since he's barely played in them with any real consistency, but the fact that his figures are very good in the best domestic competition in the world sways me into thinking that he could .

 

[JBH001]

Jeez, Ikki has really brought the blinkers out today.

 

[Prince EWS]

Just because Warne happens to have been a very good player doesn't automatically mean that people who aren't as good as him might have a better judgement on a player.

Yeah, I'm not saying I know more or better than Warne, but I'm not going to disregard my opinion just because he doesn't share it. Someone else's opinion is irrelevant TBH unless they back it up with something likely to change my mind.

 

[Ikki]

I can't even be bothered to point out how hilarious this arguement is.

So Andrew Flintoff has had 77 totally injury free, painless test matches?

LOL, no wonder you don't post much. Was that my point? Watson has had sparing tests here and there because he has largely been injured. So one cannot possibly use his 8 tests against him or use that as an accurate gauge.

 

[91Jmay]

"I reckon [Hauritz] is as just as good as Graeme Swann if not better"

I stand corrected on that point then, but your thoughts on the wealth of Australian spin bowling you seem to think you have??

 

[PhoenixFire]

Not currently, but he is there to be better than Flintoff. Do you appreciate the difference? A specialist fast bowler like Siddle would not stay in the Aussie side bowling if he were to only bowl as well as Flintoff. He is in the squad because he has the talent and is expected to be better.

Reckon you are unederated Flintoff's bowling here. He doesn't have the stats to back his incredible bowling talent up, mainly because he has had to carry the bowling unit all by himself for a long time after Harmison decided to go AWOL and Jones got injured. If Freddie had the back up bowlers (a McGrath type bowler) and was given licsence to bowl just as a Bond/Steyn type does, I reckon he'd average mid 20s.

Well, you can't really point to Tests since he's barely played in them with any real consistency, but the fact that his figures are very good in the best domestic competition in the world sways me into thinking that he could .

Reckon there is still a massive gap between bowling on the nice hard pitches in Australia and toiling away in the sub continent and the WI against top class players. When he does that and comes out with a good average, I'll reconsider. He looked like cannon-fodder today.

 

[Ikki]

Just because Warne happens to have been a very good player doesn't automatically mean that people who aren't as good as him might have a better judgement on a player.

Yeah, I'm not saying I know more or better than Warne, but I'm not going to disregard my opinion just because he doesn't share it. Someone else's opinion is irrelevant TBH unless they back it up with something likely to change my mind.

Although it's quite unlikely our dear forum member has as much knowledge as one of the greatest cricketers of all time, that is not really my point.

He suggested that it was clueless, kidding yourself, what have you, to even hold such an opinion. Sorry, but that's a crock of ****. If Warne can rate a spinner one way, then I'd consider him an authority, maybe not the one and only authority, but one nonetheless that would give credence to the opinion that Hauritz is as good as Swann. And yet the fact that Hauritz has outperformed Swann in this series is also just a coincidence.

 

[91Jmay]

LOL, no wonder you don't post much. Was that my point? Watson has had sparing tests here and there because he has largely been injured. So one cannot possibly use his 8 tests against him or use that as an accurate gauge.

Its a wonder you post on here, considering how much your embarrising yourself.

So if were comparing two players, your allowed to give one a pass due to injury but i'm not allowed to do the same for the other player.



I'm actually speechless at how clueless you are