*Official* English Football Season 2009-2010

[GIMH]

I've said it before, but what the **** was he doing drinking with accrington players anyway?

 

[Ikki]

well yeah, but it depends what you class as dirty. I mean, my hero, Chris Greenacre, was as dirty as you like, I sit front row behind the goal and used to see him giving the keepers' ankles a good working over at corners. that's dirty. but it's not Roy Keane dirty, which is the implication that springs to mind when the word is generally used in a footballing context. Savage wasn't Keane dirty.

I bet a few of those cards were for time-wasting & dissent as well

LOL, I guess? I just put his name in the hat because, I guess, people questioned their real personas because of how they were on-field. Whereas I think with Gerrard that's hardly the case. Indeed, possibly the opposite, for his leadership on the field and his talisman-like performances.

Perhaps not the instigator of the ruckus, as that was apparently his mate John Doran, but by his own admission he threw three punches under the mistaken belief he was being attacked.

Seems pretty thin at best to me, but there it is.

Nah, I don't think it's pretty thin at all. Gerrard, admittedly, said he had to deal with a lot of "mither" to which is probably standard amongst celebrities of his stature. If he were going to get into a fight at every verbal argument then he'd be in the news every other week. In his drunken stupor, I am sure he genuinely felt something was going to go down.

As a person, I dislike the whole event regardless of innocence or guilt. I personally would have just left. As a fan of the man, I would have liked him to do the same. But putting my "reasonable person" legal hat on, I can see his point and it's completely understandable.

When people go questioning the judge and the jury or whatever "power" Gerrard has, though, is non-sense. The court system is not perfect, but corrupt? Over such a charge like affray, on such evidence?

Not to sound condescending, sometimes I think the English have tall poppy syndrome.

 

[fredfertang]

You mean there is a real person called John Doran !!!

 

[S Chanderpaul]

I've said it before, but what the **** was he doing drinking with accrington players anyway?

All Huyton lads.

 

[Uppercut]

Only once? That's a surprise. Certainly one of the dirtiest and least liked EPL players in the last decade.

EDIT: Twice. But almost 90 yellow cards - a record.

Robbie Savage Wiki:

Doesn't exactly show me a player who goes out to break people's legs though, which is what you implied.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

**** off back to cricket chat Kaz, you're ****ing tedious to read on any subject.

 

[sledger]

**** off back to cricket chat Kaz, you're ****ing tedious to read on any subject.

Haha thought I recognised the posting style, didn't realise who it was till Corrin informed me of the name change.

 

[Craig]

Haha thought I recognised the posting style, didn't realise who it was till Corrin informed me of the name change.

On another note, you must be laughing that Arsenal found a buyer for Eboue?

 

[Jarquis]

For that price as well
Just wish we'd sign a ball winning CM now.
Get rid of some dead weight - check
Sign Cesc a partner - ...

 

[Ikki]

**** off back to cricket chat Kaz, you're ****ing tedious to read on any subject.

I'm here to stay man .

P.S. I see you're a Citteh fan. Well well, they get a new owner, a bit of cash and they're all lippy now.

Doesn't exactly show me a player who goes out to break people's legs though, which is what you implied.

I was talking about Keane doing that.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

I'm here to stay man .

P.S. I see you're a Citteh fan. Well well, they get a new owner, a bit of cash and they're all lippy now.

I'd have told you to **** off if I was a Torquay fan. You can jam that **** up your ass, thank you.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Don't know if anyone's seen this before, but seriously wtf.

 

[Ikki]

I'd have told you to **** off if I was a Torquay fan. You can jam that **** up your ass, thank you.

And the inferiority complex shines through!

 

[Johnners]

Ikki/Kazo, turnin' threads to train wrecks since 2005.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

And the inferiority complex shines through!

Wow you're ********.

Catch.

 

[Ikki]

LOL, thanks Clapo; if it ain't got me arguing in it, it just doesn't feel right.

Has anyone seen this? Glenn obviously likes saying "obviously".

Wow you're ********.

Catch.

Agro it down a bit.

 

[Craig]

Don't know if anyone's seen this before, but seriously wtf.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Nah, I don't think it's pretty thin at all. Gerrard, admittedly, said he had to deal with a lot of "mither" to which is probably standard amongst celebrities of his stature. If he were going to get into a fight at every verbal argument then he'd be in the news every other week. In his drunken stupor, I am sure he genuinely felt something was going to go down.

As a person, I dislike the whole event regardless of innocence or guilt. I personally would have just left. As a fan of the man, I would have liked him to do the same. But putting my "reasonable person" legal hat on, I can see his point and it's completely understandable.

When people go questioning the judge and the jury or whatever "power" Gerrard has, though, is non-sense. The court system is not perfect, but corrupt? Over such a charge like affray, on such evidence?

Not to sound condescending, sometimes I think the English have tall poppy syndrome.

I don't see how you can call it anything but thin, myself. The story that was believed is that Gerrard threw three punches under the mistaken belief he was being attacked. On the face of it the argument might sound reasonable enough, but the established fact is that Gerrard's drinking buddy started the fracas by elbowing the DJ in the face. Gerrard might not have seen this, but I think it's stretching credulity to breaking point. We have a precedent based legal system over here and, if nothing else, to my mind it's rather a worrying precedent to set.

& of course we have "tall poppy syndrome"; we ****ing invented it. Look at Susan Boyle; built up and knocked down in about a month and a half. However, compared to players of a similar profile (Rio, Terry, A Cole, Lampard, Rooney) Gerrard has had a pretty easy time of it. Don't be fooled by Scaly's rantings, they're atypical of Gerrard's standing over here.

 

[Jarquis]

Just looked at the footage on Youtube, from what I can see he has to be restrained by his mates and seems to be wanting to go back for more.
Just what it looks like to me... What is the whole law on using excessive force in self defense?

 

[Ikki]

I don't see how you can call it anything but thin, myself. The story that was believed is that Gerrard threw three punches under the mistaken belief he was being attacked. On the face of it the argument might sound reasonable enough, but the established fact is that Gerrard's drinking buddy started the fracas by elbowing the DJ in the face. Gerrard might not have seen this, but I think it's stretching credulity to breaking point. We have a precedent based legal system over here and, if nothing else, to my mind it's rather a worrying precedent to set.

The precedent had already been made. It's what Gerrard assumed the danger to have been and whether that was reasonable. I have been in enough bars/clubs to know that when someone is coming at you, you better run or throw a punch. The physicality lasted about 3-5 seconds. It's hard to argue that it was premeditated or that the attack was of an excessive kind, which would make self-defense look quite silly or "thin". Regardless, for some the mud will stick, and it really didn't matter about the evidence.

I guess for you, you don't believe he didn't see it, whereas I can reasonably take that he genuinely might not have.

& of course we have "tall poppy syndrome"; we ****ing invented it. Look at Susan Boyle; built up and knocked down in about a month and a half. However, compared to players of a similar profile (Rio, Terry, A Cole, Lampard, Rooney) Gerrard has had a pretty easy time of it. Don't be fooled by Scaly's rantings, they're atypical of Gerrard's standing over here.

I can only speak of my experience with English fans and the posts I read on various English media; but they seem to cherish their stars as club players and absolutely hammer them as national team players.