Nathan Hauritz

[Nate]

Norfy has got the spinners job covered.

 

[pup11]

If he plays, and they then pick Lee over Clark, I'll catch the next plane over and nut some bastard.

You should have done that, the very moment Hauritz was picked as the lone spinner in the Ashes squad, despite the selectors knowing that spin could play a key role in this series, given the nature of pitches England are likely to prepare.

Anyways, once they have decided that Hauritz is the best spinner available to play in test cricket (which is something, I don't agree with), then atleast they should back their own initial decision, and play him in conditions where spinners might get assistance.

If they aren't even going to play their spinner in spin friendly conditions, then what's the point of bringing him all the way over to England, why not just an extra quick or batsman in his place.

They did the same thing in India, where on docile tracks they kept persisting with an all-pace attack until the last test, and I am pretty sure they are gonna do the same thing in this series too.

 

[inbox24]

You should have done that, the very moment Hauritz was picked as the lone spinner in the Ashes squad, despite the selectors knowing that spin could play a key role in this series, given the nature of pitches England are likely to prepare.

Anyways, once they have decided that Hauritz is the best spinner available to play in test cricket (which is something, I don't agree with), then atleast they should back their own initial decision, and play him in conditions where spinners might get assistance.

If they aren't even going to play their spinner in spin friendly conditions, then what's the point of bringing him all the way over to England, why not just an extra quick or batsman in his place.

They did the same thing in India, where on docile tracks they kept persisting with an all-pace attack until the last test, and I am pretty sure they are gonna do the same thing in this series too.

So then what needs to happen? Because at the moment there's no spinner in the country with the ability to cut it at international level, yet a 4 man pace attack will not prosper. We really are stuck in a rut then, all roads lead to doom.

There's probably only one option, and that's to include bowler who can utilise swing or reverse swing really well, of course we don't have one of those, only Hilfenhaus is close.

 

[Hoggy31]

Hauritz hasn't let anyone down at international level yet, give him the 1st test at least.

Seriously think we should consider Bracken's mediums/cutters if he bombs.

 

[pup11]

So then what needs to happen? Because at the moment there's no spinner in the country with the ability to cut it at international level, yet a 4 man pace attack will not prosper. We really are stuck in a rut then, all roads lead to doom.

There's probably only one option, and that's to include bowler who can utilise swing or reverse swing really well, of course we don't have one of those, only Hilfenhaus is close.

Why not take either McGain or Krezja instead of Hauritz to England, atleast they would have got some turn of the deck, the way that Australian selectors have handled country' spin bowlers after Warne's retirement is absolutely disgraceful.

They have tried every damn spinner in Australia over the last two years, but the game of musical chairs just doesn't seem to stop, McGain who was touted as the best spinner in Australia, went off the radar just after one shocking test, Krezja, Casson, White were also dealt with in the same way.

I mean, if they are looking for some spinner to come in and emulate Warne's performances over the years, then they can just dream on, because that ain't happening any time soon.

But if they are serious about developing a few serviceable spin options for future (which is pretty vital), then they need to show some faith in their spin bowlers, rather than thrust them into an insecure environment, where they find a sword hanging over their heads at all times.

 

[Uppercut]

North's bowling record may be better, but it's a hell of a lot easier coming on and bowling 4 or 5 overs maybe twice a day than being the leading spin bowler in a side.

Don't know if it is much easier to grab poles, considering you only ever bowl when plans A, B, C and D are all failing. Certainly casts doubts on whether he can be a front-line spinner for Oz if he's never done it in any other cricket though.

 

[fredfertang]

If he plays, and they then pick Lee over Clark, I'll catch the next plane over and nut some bastard.

That's the spirit - if you get nicked give me a call - I don't mind nipping down the M4 to get you out ,,,, or not as the case may be ...... but I'll bring you some mints anyway

 

[zaremba]

If he plays, and they then pick Lee over Clark, I'll catch the next plane over and nut some bastard.

No need to mints your words.

 

[Richard]

a 4 man pace attack will not prosper.

Why on Earth not? If you have four quality seamers, of course it will.

Equally, if you have four seamers who are all better than any spinner, you're always better-off picking four seamers than three seamers and one spinner.

That Australia are even remotely countenancing picking Hauritz for Tests - or ever have - simply beggars belief. For a specialist (ie, one with no remarkable batting ability), he is one of the most nothing bowlers you could wish to see.

 

[howardj]

That Australia are even remotely countenancing picking Hauritz for Tests - or ever have - simply beggars belief. For a specialist (ie, one with no remarkable batting ability), he is one of the most nothing bowlers you could wish to see.

So 14 wickets @ 31 is indicative of that, is it?

Hauritz, in Tests and ODIs, has a good record.

People ought look at that rather than making over the top, dramatic observations.

 

[BoyBrumby]

So 14 wickets @ 31 is indicative of that, is it?

Hauritz, in Tests and ODIs, has a good record.

People ought look at that rather than making over the top, dramatic observations.

Can't see Hauritz doing anything North can't, in all honesty. Including him means a better bowler (in all likelihood Clark after Lee's masterclass in reverse yesterday) misses out. Clark looks far more likely to be able to slow scoring down too, which seemed to be Hauritz's main brief today.

 

[inbox24]

Why on Earth not? If you have four quality seamers, of course it will.

Equally, if you have four seamers who are all better than any spinner, you're always better-off picking four seamers than three seamers and one spinner.

That Australia are even remotely countenancing picking Hauritz for Tests - or ever have - simply beggars belief. For a specialist (ie, one with no remarkable batting ability), he is one of the most nothing bowlers you could wish to see.

Well because some people say that if 3 can't do the job then.... etc etc. But if you have different types of bowlers then it should make a difference. Hauritz is definitely not international quality at all, but in the end it's the selectors fault. In early 2007 after the great retirement, even the thought of guys like Krejza, Hauritz, McDonald, Casson, North etc playing for Australia would have been a joke. But now we've come to accept it like second nature. Arguing between whether to play Hauritz or McDonald is a joke, it's like asking someone if they'd rather be drowned or burnt in a fire. Even with the mass exodus of players these guys are not international quality and there are better options. But time and time again, this spin and all rounder obsession has cost us series, ala India and SA at home.

 

[Uppercut]

So 14 wickets @ 31 is indicative of that, is it?

Hauritz, in Tests and ODIs, has a good record.

People ought look at that rather than making over the top, dramatic observations.

His test record is good largely because of this match five years ago. Hauritz did not play well in that game.

 

[Burgey]

That's the spirit - if you get nicked give me a call - I don't mind nipping down the M4 to get you out ,,,, or not as the case may be ...... but I'll bring you some mints anyway

No need to mints your words.

I'm already filthy we settled my England case before getting on the plane, thus depriving me of an Ashes sojourn this winter. What's wrong with people these days? Would've been a feeding frenzy over there.

Maybe we can call a get together a legal conference - I'll stand up and say "Donoghue v Stevenson", and we'll claim the lot as tax deductions.

 

[Burgey]

So 14 wickets @ 31 is indicative of that, is it?

Hauritz, in Tests and ODIs, has a good record.

People ought look at that rather than making over the top, dramatic observations.

HJ, of course he has deserved consideration, but based on what we've seen thus far, I don't think he's doing enough atm to warrant selection ahead of the 4 quicks. He may re-write that with something pretty good int eh second innings though.

Personally, I'd run with the 4 quicks atm, but of course I'd like to see him take some wickets. The more blokes we have doing that the better.

 

[Golaxi]

after watching him being spanked about by the lions i can confirm his ability is horrible.

jokes at the australians trying to copy the ashley giles effect. he's not fit to clean gilesy's boots.

i agree, you've got some good/decent seamers in the ranks. might aswell use them. you do have watson though, allrounders provide good bowling attack balance as we all know.

 

[Burgey]

Gee, it's very early int he morning over there mate. You a shift worker or something?

 

[Golaxi]

yes i am m8

 

[pup11]

As I already said before, the Australian team-management have unrealistic expectations out of their spinners, take Hauritz for example, the bloke wasn't even getting picked in the NSW FC side, but yet they selected him to play for Australia, he did decently by picking four wickets in the test against the Black Caps.

He again gets dropped after that game, only to be picked one game later, again he performs decently against the Proteas in the 2nd test at the MCG, has an average game at the SCG, and once again he gets sidelined from the side in favor of McGain.

Now again, all of sudden he has become Australia's only spin option for a series as big as the Ashes, he is expected to take up a new role, and shed his defensive style of bowling, and actually look to pick wickets for a change.

He obviously isn't good at doing that, his role so far in test cricket has been to block one end up, create pressure, and take any wickets that come his way, but here in the last two practice games, he has been required to bowl people out, to secure a spot in the XI for the Cardiff test, something he has unsurprisingly struggled to do.

I just feel bad for him, he has been ridiculed from all quarters, but his forte is OD bowling, and he does his job decently with the white ball, because he has been playing regular OD cricket in Australia, but he is clearly struggling with the longer format of the game, because of the lack of having played much FC cricket in the recent years.

 

[Richard]

So 14 wickets @ 31 is indicative of that, is it?

Hauritz, in Tests and ODIs, has a good record.

People ought look at that rather than making over the top, dramatic observations.

Hauritz's Test record is quite clearly a fluke, borne from being in the right place at the right time. If, in due course, he does play more Tests his average should gradually climb up towards the 50 mark where it belongs. He's no better a bowler than Richard Dawson. His First-Class average is a good indicator of where he's at.

As for his ODI record, he did well in his most recent series, and was completely collared before that. He has earned another go in ODIs, but there is no way he is a success yet, nor is on track to be long-term.