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These ODI series are so meh.
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**Official** India In West Indies
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Actually he had an exceptional Ranji season and an excellent Duleep trophy too with an extraordinary innings in his final match IIRC, while everyone else was getting out he went absolutely ballistic.
But unfortunately these days it seems that hit and giggle runs in the IPL carry more weight...
Thought he did a great job as a test opener, especially in England, obviously he's never going to seriously challenge Gambhir or Sehwag for that slot but he looks like he could turn into a decent middle order bat, has a bit of Dilshan about him.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
yeah.. Why not play Praveen Kumar.. And give him the new ball along with RPS with Nehra coming in first change and being the guy to bowl during powerplays and the slog...
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Or to be dropped! Ishant has not done well in limited overs cricket, with the exception of the series in Australia, which was quite a while ago. Moreover, him and RP must be fatigued from the World T20 and IPL. I think it would be prudent to go in with Kumar, Nehra, Harbhajan and Ojha as the bowlers and possibly get Nayar in for Jadeja to add variety to the bowling line up. Nayar's low OD average (26.28, strike rate of 92.64) may be a concern though, as he would have to be batting at six or seven, which may be a tad high for him in a team where the tail stars at nine.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
This was essentially the Yuvraj Singh show. He's slotted as India's ODI specialist (such batsmen are always found wanting when tested- no pun intended) but what we saw was yet another innings that is played by a proper batsman. He was initially shaky with the ball rising and going around his waist and chest, but once he got set, he smashed everything around the park, including the competent opening bowlers. He was also particularly severe on Chris Gayle and Suleiman Benn, and his century was a major factor in what became a near-unassailable total. There was a time when such totals were out of reach for the team fielding second, but now, even 400 isn't beyond reach.
The bowling wasn't much of a factor, once the pitch got flat. RP Singh was found out against the top order, and looked no better than Irfan Pathan, in a bigger role to play than in Deccan Chargers. Nehra wasn't too spectacular either, and was at his best while cleaning up the lower order. Ishant went for more than a few, but at least he was fast and had some penetration. That said, Nehra's use of the short delivery was a lot smarter than the others' attempts. Harbhajan was average, but the one wicket he took was more or less a game-changer.
With the top four not doing too well, a lot depended on the weaker bowlers. They were shown up as that- weak. Of all those tried, Yusuf Pathan is India's top ODI all-rounder on form, if the match is anything to go by. He smashed 40 runs quickly, outraced only by Yuvraj and Harbhajan. His bowling wasn't spectacular (and there was an embarassing over which went for 13 runs), but he still finished with three crucial top-order wickets, though his high economy rate is a concern. Yuvraj bowled four overs which went for plenty and didn't last any longer. He was far worse than the struggling pacers, which was a very minor dent in his otherwise superlative performance. Jadeja, not quite a limited-overs batsman, bowled tightly but took no wickets and again didn't finish ten overs. With support so thin, they will need their top four bowlers, even in the worst form, finishing their quota of overs.
The West Indian fielding was well below par today, with some schoolboyish misfields done. They negative mannerisms of the players at that time didn't help at all, with Dave Bernard and Ramdin, in contrast, doing quite well. The Indian fielding is safe, but that extra ability was missing, as many dives failed, many chases failed and some low-bouncing deliveries were not stopped by Dhoni. Sarwan and Chanderpaul are still tough opposition, and their ability to switch from defence to attack is remarkable. The bowling is weak beyond Bravo, Taylor and Baker, but the batting looks very strong, with every batsman capable of striking a series of big hits, often the bane of Indian bowling in the recent past.
Looking ahead, the Indians can rest one of RP Singh and Ishant, but they can consider getting in Nayar ahead of Praveen Kumar. The batting lacks depth beyond seven, and could use some strength down there. Specialist batsmen Vijay and Badrinath should also have a shout of making the team, particularly Vijay, who's one of only two proper openers in the squad. The West Indians, though, can hold on to their XI from this match, as they did little wrong, but a lot more urgency on field is needed from them.
The bowling wasn't much of a factor, once the pitch got flat. RP Singh was found out against the top order, and looked no better than Irfan Pathan, in a bigger role to play than in Deccan Chargers. Nehra wasn't too spectacular either, and was at his best while cleaning up the lower order. Ishant went for more than a few, but at least he was fast and had some penetration. That said, Nehra's use of the short delivery was a lot smarter than the others' attempts. Harbhajan was average, but the one wicket he took was more or less a game-changer.
With the top four not doing too well, a lot depended on the weaker bowlers. They were shown up as that- weak. Of all those tried, Yusuf Pathan is India's top ODI all-rounder on form, if the match is anything to go by. He smashed 40 runs quickly, outraced only by Yuvraj and Harbhajan. His bowling wasn't spectacular (and there was an embarassing over which went for 13 runs), but he still finished with three crucial top-order wickets, though his high economy rate is a concern. Yuvraj bowled four overs which went for plenty and didn't last any longer. He was far worse than the struggling pacers, which was a very minor dent in his otherwise superlative performance. Jadeja, not quite a limited-overs batsman, bowled tightly but took no wickets and again didn't finish ten overs. With support so thin, they will need their top four bowlers, even in the worst form, finishing their quota of overs.
The West Indian fielding was well below par today, with some schoolboyish misfields done. They negative mannerisms of the players at that time didn't help at all, with Dave Bernard and Ramdin, in contrast, doing quite well. The Indian fielding is safe, but that extra ability was missing, as many dives failed, many chases failed and some low-bouncing deliveries were not stopped by Dhoni. Sarwan and Chanderpaul are still tough opposition, and their ability to switch from defence to attack is remarkable. The bowling is weak beyond Bravo, Taylor and Baker, but the batting looks very strong, with every batsman capable of striking a series of big hits, often the bane of Indian bowling in the recent past.
Looking ahead, the Indians can rest one of RP Singh and Ishant, but they can consider getting in Nayar ahead of Praveen Kumar. The batting lacks depth beyond seven, and could use some strength down there. Specialist batsmen Vijay and Badrinath should also have a shout of making the team, particularly Vijay, who's one of only two proper openers in the squad. The West Indians, though, can hold on to their XI from this match, as they did little wrong, but a lot more urgency on field is needed from them.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
He's still one of the top (possibly the second-best) pace bowler on skill alone, so that should keep him in. All his replacements have been found wanting. Irfan has lost his place in the team, after being the lead bowler for a long time. RP Singh was found out today, and doesn't contribute any more than Ishant. Sreesanth, on his day, is a handful, but on a bad day, a liability. Praveen Kumar is a little over medium-pace and now struggles with the old ball. Nehra has played well, but the question is whether you can depend on him to shoulder the responsibility for the long term- there's far too much done keeping only the next match in mind.
As for Nayar's low OD average, many of India's top batsmen struggle in the ROD matches, which are played on dreadful surfaces not worthy of FC status. On better pitches, he's done a lot better. That said, he may be useful as a Number Eight, as his bowling, on form, can get him ahead of one of the struggling pacers.
Jigga988
State 12th Man
Is it me or are the West Indian umpires just plain incompetent. The two umpires I remember seeing have been absolutely pathetic, suppose it's lucky these guys are no where near the test game but still, seen some shockers today and i remember the taller fella who umpired in some ODI's and a T20 against england who was also shocking... Any possible reason for such poor umpires to come out of the West Indies, not enough experience perhaps?
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
The standard of umpiring in West Indies domestic cricket is disgraceful and IMHO far worse than the players who get constantly criticised for their low standards.
If you get hit on the pad by a finger spinner you are given out lbw basically. That is why anyone averaging over 45 in our domestic cricket is doing very well and why Jaggers and Nikitta Miller have such ridiculously good FC records.
The fact that Benn has such an ordinary FC record given those circumstances shows just how ordinary he is.
If you get hit on the pad by a finger spinner you are given out lbw basically. That is why anyone averaging over 45 in our domestic cricket is doing very well and why Jaggers and Nikitta Miller have such ridiculously good FC records.
The fact that Benn has such an ordinary FC record given those circumstances shows just how ordinary he is.
G.I.Joe
International Coach
Could be argued that he raised the umpiring standards in the West Indies by just retiring himself.
and isn't that the truth?
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
True. I think it would be too generous to give Ishant any sort of compliment in ODI cricket. It is a poor situation we have. We really do not have any good pace bowlers on flat pitches in ODIs. Kumar is underrated though, he is very useful with the new ball. I agree he is poor with the old ball and with two pace bowlers, that is a very annoying situation as it is hard to bowl spinners at the death.
Ooh, not too sure about that. He is about 70-75mph and doesn't move the ball massively. More of a useful part timer, I feel. I'm also not sure he can help the problem of seam bowling on flat pitches, he may be cannon fodder when batsmen can swing through the line. I don't think he could get in unless he bats at seven. That being said, he could bog batsmen down if he is extremely accurate and bowls a very good length, because the pitches are slow.
Raghav
International Vice-Captain
Yuvraj has done exceptionally well against WI in the first one-day. Gayle gang would love getting his wicket early, so that they can put some pressure on other Indian batsman. I do feel that Gayle did not use his bowlers properly on his bowling changes. He needs to sort that problem out before the 2nd ODI.
My Prediction: WI to win the Second One-day
"That West Indies were chasing a total of 340 was down to their bowlers indiscipline in line and length and their inability to fight back once the Indian batsmen raised the tempo. They will have to reduce the number of loose deliveries drastically to avoid another hiding on Sunday. " - Cricinfo
My Prediction: WI to win the Second One-day
"That West Indies were chasing a total of 340 was down to their bowlers indiscipline in line and length and their inability to fight back once the Indian batsmen raised the tempo. They will have to reduce the number of loose deliveries drastically to avoid another hiding on Sunday. " - Cricinfo
pup11
International Coach
If the ball doesn't swing or seam, then PK can get clobbered tbh, its very unlikely that the ball would swing or seam in the West Indian condtions, so therefore sticking with Sharma makes a lot more sense, and not only that, he can use a low-profile series like this to improve his OD bowling.