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**Official** NRL 2009 Thread

Prince EWS

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Barrett's actually been excellent at Origin level overall, IMO. The stigma of him struggling to step up for big games is created by the numerous chokes in big games and important moments for the Dragons - his performances for the Blues were more than acceptable.

That's not saying he should be picked though, because he frankly hasn't done anything in the last two years at all. It's not like he's the incumbent and this can be looked over - he's trying to force his way into the team and he's not done enough.
 

Simon

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I agree as a Queensland fan Barrett is the player Id like them to pick the least. I think long term Campese and Mullen is their best halves options and if they want to build for the future then they should be 6 and 7. If they want to win this game then Barrett and Wallace is probably their best halves combo this week.
 

Prince EWS

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I don't really know how to feel about Barrett's likely inclusion.

On one hand, I think it's really refreshing to see NSW considering a player purely based on his past Origin record.

On the other hand, not picking Campese is just insane. Not quite as insane as picking him for one game, then dropping him after he does exactly what is asked but looks terrible because of the proven failure inside him, mind you, but still insane all the same.

When it really comes down to it, I guess what I'm in favour of is bulldozing NSWRL headquarters, pushing the rubble into the sea and sowing salt into the ground so that nothing will grow for a thousand years. Then, and only then, will we pick something that vaguely resembles the best team available to us and stick with it for longer than thirty seconds. If we're lucky.
 
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dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
When it really comes down to it, I guess what I'm in favour of is bulldozing NSWRL headquarters, pushing the rubble into the sea and sowing salt into the ground so that nothing will grow for a thousand years. Then, and only then, will we pick something that vaguely resembles the best team available to us and stick with it for longer than thirty seconds.
Yep.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Start the car; full steam ahead to Phillip Street, Sydney – the time has come. We have no option but to bulldoze NSWRL headquarters – preferably with Daley, McCarthy, Fulton and Gerard inside – before pushing the rubble into the sea and sowing salt into the ground so nothing will grow again for a thousand years. Then, and only then, will we able to select a team that vaguely represents our potential quality and stick to it for longer than twenty-five seconds. If we’re lucky. Some may say I’m being a little harsh. Well that may be the case, but after all, this is the sort of reaction we’re used to from those four knee-jerkers every time the Blues are outplayed by the opposition. They’re clearly being out-selected by the opposition as well judging by how often they admit to being wrong and change the team completely, so is a similar reaction not equally warranted?

Just in case something really strange happens though, like the selectors actually acquiring memories longer than their noses (and yes, I’m looking at you, Daley), we should probably leave a guide behind for the selectors of the future. We wouldn’t want to actually start winning games regularly again so it’s vitally important to pass on the knowledge acquired by the current bunch of over-paid idiots to those who finally emerge in 3009.

The first and most important thing to remember as a New South Wales selector is that a player’s ability to perform if picked in Origin I is completely decided by how he has played this year, in club football. What’s particularly important in this regard is how his team has gone – it’s obviously impossible for poorly performing teams to actually have good players. Anything that happened before this year, especially in past Origin games, is just a myth created by those evil Queenslanders to confuse us into picking players who have actually proven themselves over time or, worse still, played well at Origin level before. Sneaky little buggers, aren’t they?
Expanding on this theory, if you already have lots of players from one club in the team, it automatically makes any other players from that team Origin standard. Combinations are vital in Origin.

Now if Origin I is lost, which it almost certainly will be, it’s extremely important to react correctly to it. At no stage should a selector get complacent and think it’s even remotely possible for Queensland to simply have better players available than New South Wales – if we lose, it’s your fault for selecting a poor team for Game I and hence you must select a completely different team for Game II. There should only be two criteria for selection in Game II: the first being Game I performances (as everyone obviously plays exactly the same in Game II as they do in Game I, regardless of their overall ability) and the second being performances between Origin I and Origin II. That club teams are depleted, that incumbents are tired and that these games only represent a tiny percentage of a player’s career are facts that will be brought up – by Queenslanders – to trick us; do not fall into the trap!

Now if Origin I is won, it means that all the decisions you made that were criticized before the game were 100% spot on. The plan of action here is to read newspapers, blogs, internet forums and letters from before the game and conclude that if the masses were against something and you won the game, they were wrong. The players' performances in the game are in no way relevant. However, any decisions that weren’t criticized before the game should now be scrutinized in the selection room – you have to keep the fans and the opposition guessing.

Origin III selection is simple. Put the names of all the players that played in the first two games along with Braith Anasta into a hat, and draw out seventeen of them. Make sure you play a few players out of position, too.
 
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Freddie_Fittler

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Start the car; full steam ahead to Phillip Street, Sydney – the time has come. We have no option but to bulldoze NSWRL headquarters – preferably with Daley, McCarthy, Fulton and Gerard inside – before pushing the rubble into the sea and sowing salt into the ground so nothing will grow again for a thousand years. Then, and only then, will we able to select a team that vaguely represents our potential quality and stick to it for longer than twenty-five seconds. If we’re lucky. Some may say I’m being a little harsh. Well that may be the case, but after all, this is the sort of reaction we’re used to from those four knee-jerkers every time the Blues are outplayed by the opposition. They’re clearly being out-selected by the opposition as well judging by how often they admit to being wrong and change the team completely, so is a similar reaction not equally warranted?

Just in case something really strange happens though, like the selectors actually acquiring memories longer than their noses (and yes, I’m looking at you, Daley), we should probably leave a guide behind for the selectors of the future. We wouldn’t want to actually start winning games regularly again so it’s vitally important to pass on the knowledge acquired by the current bunch of over-paid idiots to those who finally emerge in 3009.

The first and most important thing to remember as a New South Wales selector is that a player’s ability to perform if picked in Origin I is completely decided by how he has played this year, in club football. What’s particularly important in this regard is how his team has gone – it’s obviously impossible for poorly performing teams to actually have good players. Anything that happened before this year, especially in past Origin games, is just a myth created by those evil Queenslanders to confuse us into picking players who have actually proven themselves over time or, worse still, played well at Origin level before. Sneaky little buggers, aren’t they?
Expanding on this theory, if you already have lots of players from one club in the team, it automatically makes any other players from that team Origin standard. Combinations are vital in Origin.

Now if Origin I is lost, which it almost certainly will be, it’s extremely important to react correctly to it. At no stage should a selector get complacent and think it’s even remotely possible for Queensland to simply have better players available than New South Wales – if we lose, it’s your fault for selecting a poor team for Game I and hence you must select a completely different team for Game II. There should only be two criteria for selection in Game II: the first being Game I performances (as everyone obviously plays exactly the same in Game II as they do in Game I, regardless of their overall ability) and the second being performances between Origin I and Origin II. That club teams are depleted, that incumbents are tired and that these games only represent a tiny percentage of a player’s career are facts that will be brought up – by Queenslanders – to trick us; do not fall into the trap!

Now if Origin I is won, it means that all the decisions you made that were criticized before the game were 100% spot on. The plan of action here is to read newspapers, blogs, internet forums and letters from before the game and conclude that if the masses were against something and you won the game, they were wrong. The players' performances in the game are in no way relevant. However, any decisions that weren’t criticized before the game should now be scrutinized in the selection room – you have to keep the fans and the opposition guessing.

Origin III selection is simple. Put the names of all the players that played in the first two games along with Braith Anasta into a hat, and draw out seventeen of them. Make sure you play a few players out of position, too.
*Gives opinion on who the NSW halves should be*
 

Burgey

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I work next door to NSW Leagues. The gym is **** and the beer average. Thai restaurant is ok.
On balance, you may commence demolition.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Would like to see a stat for 2009 re: effective tackles % for all five eights.

Reckon Soward would be above QLD's five eight Darren Lockyer and we all know Soward has done way more than Lockyer in attack.

Prince EWS do you have the stats??
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
The Dragons play a back rower at right centre to help Soward make tackles, wtf you can't do that in Origin.
Why not? It makes perfect sense to have a gun tackler besides a weaker defender.

Lockyer who wasn't terrible or anything had TC helping him for ages.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Would like to see a stat for 2009 re: effective tackles % for all five eights.

Reckon Soward would be above QLD's five eight Darren Lockyer and we all know Soward has done way more than Lockyer in attack.

Prince EWS do you have the stats??
1. Chris Bailey (Manly) - 88.59
2. Ben Rogers (Newcastle) - 88.53
3. Terry Campese (Canberra) - 88.21
4. John Morris (Wests Tigers) - 86.69
5. Luke Lewis (Penrith) - 85.98
6. Brett Finch (Melbourne) - 85.81
7. John Sutton (South Sydney) - 82.86
8. Jamie Soward (St George Illawarra) - 81.36
9. Braith Anasta (Sydney Roosters) - 81.28
10. Ben Roberts (Bulldogs) - 81.03
11. Wade Graham (Penrith) - 80.17
12. Feleti Mateo (Parramatta) - 79.70
13. Trent Barrett (Cronulla) - 79.35
14. Travis Burns (North Queensland) - 78.65
15. Joel Moon (Warriors) - 76.44
16. Mat Rogers (Gold Coast) - 75.74
17. Darren Lockyer (Brisbane) - 71.27
 

Ausage

Cricketer Of The Year
Heh, I would have thought Wade Graham would have been higher then that. That's rose tinted glasses for you.

Would hate to ever be cheering for Soward. I'm overcome with a massive urge to scream at every time he dives or prances in to take a conversion.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Heh, I would have thought Wade Graham would have been higher then that. That's rose tinted glasses for you.

Would hate to ever be cheering for Soward. I'm overcome with a massive urge to scream at every time he dives or prances in to take a conversion.
Someone actually started a poll on a rugby league forum I visit - the question was "what is the gayest thing in rugby league?" and the options were:

* Penrith's male cheerleader
* Jamie Soward taking a kick at goal

Soward won comfortably.
 
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Ausage

Cricketer Of The Year
Someone actually started a poll on a rugby league forum I visti - the question was "what is the gayest thing in rugby league?" and the options were:

* Penrith's male cheerleader
* Jamie Soward taking a kick at goal

Soward won comfortably.
:laugh:

I'm actually thinking this Male cheerleader is a myth. Been to three games this year and haven't seen him yet (I've been looking too). My eyes aren't what they used to be tbf.
 

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