***Official*** English Domestic Season 2009

[Manee]

Because he averages 52 with the bat in the past four seasons of FC cricket on a not-always-flat track.

and he can offer up a very real part time spin option.

 

[wpdavid]

Think Rashid is very close to getting second in line. Bowled a beaut yesterday to get AB which would have done him in any situation. Helps that he can field and bat as well.

He's certainly favourite to be our next test debutant, although I'm not convinced he's ready. I can only go by his stats, but I don't see that he's done enough yet as a bowler in FC cricket to justify the plaudits and I hope that Swann stays fit all summer. However, if Swann does get crocked, then Rashid only has to do respectably in the CC to overtake Panesar. Maybe that's already happened since MP can't buy a wicket even in D2 right now.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Useless ****ing batsmen giving that ****ing donkey 6 wickets and counting in 12.3 overs. He can't even ****ing land the ball on the cut strip that many times in 12.3 overs. Absolutely ****ing pathetic.

 

[Uppercut]

He's actually been very good when I've seen him for Lancs this year tbh. Great comeback from Ian Blackwell. 266 has to be too much on this pitch against this attack.

 

[stumpski]

Career best score for Afzaal, on to 171 now. Little surprised he's never made a double actually, I suppose batting at the Oval will give him a good chance of doing so in the near future. Anyway, we probably have enough now - time to get 'em back in.

 

[Uppercut]

Am I right in noting that the BBC don't have commentary on the Lancs game? Strange decision if so. Second against third and looks set to be a good day of cricket up there.

 

[TT Boy]

So much for Prince signing off with a score. Looks like Fred might need to contribute.

 

[stumpski]

Sussex piling on the runs at Worcester I see - everyone in double figures. I didn't know Piyush Chawla was playing for them now - that one had passed me by.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Flintoff out for 0, don't think anyone is surprised by his match aggregate of 3 runs.

 

[grecian]

Very frustrating last wicket partnership for Somerset, has swung the game to Yorkshire I think.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Durham crush Lancashire by 138 runs.

 

[aussie]

Because he averages 52 with the bat in the past four seasons of FC cricket on a not-always-flat track.

Yes. But seeing him in ODI cricket, it is clear he aint a 50 ave batsman - and would never replicate such perfomances in test. One needs to question that standard of county bowling he has faced also.

 

[Postmanpat]

Yes. But seeing him in ODI cricket, it is clear he aint a 50 ave batsman - and would never replicate such perfomances in test. One needs to question that standard of county bowling he has faced also.

He hasn't the best OD record anyway, so why would you expect him to do particularly well in ODI's?

and would never replicate such perfomances in test.

Where are you getting this stuff? What proof do you have?

One needs to question that standard of county bowling he has faced also.

The same quality of bowling that Pietersen and every other English batsmen has faced? His record in FC is better than most of the English bats, so why would he fare worse? (If he is fit.)

 

[aussie]

He hasn't the best OD record anyway, so why would you expect him to do particularly well in ODI's?.

I did not say i expect/expecting to have a fantastic ODI record. I am saying based on what i've seen on him ODI plus some domestic OD games on TV. There is no way he should be considered for test matches as # 6 batsman, who can aslo give quality overs of spin.

Where are you getting this stuff? What proof do you have?.

The same way SA would not pick Botha in their test side as a second spinner, IND wont pick Y Pathan, AUS didn't pick Ian Harvey. Patel just comes across as one of those players, that if he has a solid ODI career - you still wont see potential test match credentials in him.

The same quality of bowling that Pietersen and every other English batsmen has faced? His record in FC is better than most of the English bats, so why would he fare worse? (If he is fit.)

You need to understand the dynmaics of county system over here. The FC season has two divisions. Divison 1 is of high standard, if a player does well in division 2 it usually a poor guide to how he would do in tests.

One must never forget KP is an import.

Most of ENG best bastmen since the dark 90s, starting from Vaughan have averaged fairly modestly in FC. While recently you have the likes of Bell & Cook averaging big but question marks remain over their temperament.

So atthough the FC system here is structed fairly solid, the results are a bit misleading.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I did not say i expect/expecting to have a fantastic ODI record. I am saying based on what i've seen on him ODI plus some domestic OD games on TV. There is no way he should be considered for test matches as # 6 batsman, who can aslo give quality overs of spin.

You need to understand the dynmaics of county system over here. The FC season has two divisions. Divison 1 is of high standard, if a player does well in division 2 it usually a poor guide to how he would do in tests.

One must never forget KP is an import.

Most of ENG best bastmen since the dark 90s, starting from Vaughan have averaged fairly modestly in FC. While recently you have the likes of Bell & Cook averaging big but question marks remain over their temperament.

So atthough the FC system here is structed fairly solid, the results are a bit misleading.

Except as has been said Samit's record in FC cricket is much better than his record in List A cricket, so it's pointless judging him unworthy from a few ODs.

The stuff about county cricket is just rambling. Samit has a good record in division 1 and division 2, would you prefer he had a bad record like Vaughan? Bell doesn't convert his ability into Test cricket because he's a mentally soft. You have to give guys like Patel a chance to see whether they'll cut it or not. Apart from the stuff concerning his fitness he has earned himself the opportunity to show what he can do.

 

[Pothas]

Another poor performance from Hampshire, be pleasantly surprised if we hung on for a draw tomorow. Last couple of weeks have proved that we are pretty far behind the best couple of teams in the country, just need to make sure we avoid the drop again and look to limited over cricket where I think we have a real chance

 

[TheEpic]

Most of ENG best bastmen since the dark 90s, starting from Vaughan have averaged fairly modestly in FC. While recently you have the likes of Bell & Cook averaging big but question marks remain over their temperament.

So atthough the FC system here is structed fairly solid, the results are a bit misleading.

I love this. Patel must be a bad player because he makes lots of runs. I didn't realise that having a terrible FC record was a pre-requisite for international selection.

We've found the solution - Panesar to open the batting! The Ashes are practically ours!

 

[TheEpic]

Anyway, joking aside. It's nice to see Mahmood and Harmison get a bagful each, seems to me a lot of people on this forum get some sort of sick pleasure over watching these lads fail. Whilst neither should be near the England side at present, English bowlers taking lots of wickets for not many runs is always a positive sign. Mahmood especially, if he can sort out his accurary issues he could still have an international future ahead of him, realise this is a big if though.

Not bad from this Bairstow lad either on debut! Hope he has a big career ahead of him after what happened to his Dad. A real cricketing tragedy.

 

[Uppercut]

Anyway, joking aside. It's nice to see Mahmood and Harmison get a bagful each, seems to me a lot of people on this forum get some sort of sick pleasure over watching these lads fail. Whilst neither should be near the England side at present, English bowlers taking lots of wickets for not many runs is always a positive sign. Mahmood especially, if he can sort out his accurary issues he could still have an international future ahead of him, realise this is a big if though.

Not bad from this Bairstow lad either on debut! Hope he has a big career ahead of him after what happened to his Dad. A real cricketing tragedy.

I wouldn't say so. Not with Mahmood anyway, the anti-Mahmood brigade are massive Lancs fans so there's no way in hell they're happy when he bowls crap.

 

[TheEpic]

Seems a shame then that they'd resent having an England international in their XI who can be destructive on his day. 211 wickets @ 31 is far from the worst FC record around.