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IPL criticisms

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I don't know one person in Australia who supports a particular IPL team, or who was engrossed in the IPL.

I really think it's being forced fed to the public rather than, as the IPL promoters claim, the public embracing it.
Well, I don't think the Australian public is really the target demographic. If people watch in Australia, that's great, but the Australian TV rights went for like $10 million, while Indian TV rights went for over $1 billion...

I think this desire to make it a global brand is not going to go anywhere - they have to make sure they don't alienate their fans in India first.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I don't know one person in Australia who supports a particular IPL team, or who was engrossed in the IPL.

I really think it's being forced fed to the public rather than, as the IPL promoters claim, the public embracing it.
1) It'll take time. Right now there's no link at all between your average Australian and any IPL team.
2) Who cares anyway? Its an Indian domestic competition. Australia isn't the the target market.
3) Which public are you referring to? Australia aren't 'the public', in fact its population is minuscule compare to the other countries where the IPL is being shown.
 

ret

International Debutant
1 in every six individual on this planet is a person of Indian origin .... I am sure there are quite a few ppl of Indian origin in Australia who would have followed the IPL .... and that would be the target market [if they have sold rights there] in OZ
 

pasag

RTDAS
1 in every six individual on this planet is a person of Indian origin .... I am sure there are quite a few ppl of Indian origin in Australia who would have followed the IPL .... and that would be the target market [if they have sold rights there] in OZ
Nah, target market in Aus was Australian cricket team fans. There will never be any money in marketing it to Indian fans here.
 

ret

International Debutant
Nah, target market in Aus was Australian cricket team fans. There will never be any money in marketing it to Indian fans here.
People of Indian origin could be Australians too! Like immigrants turned citizens. I guess these ppl would be far more interested in IPL then any other group. In Canada, I see many hooked up to the TV during IPL games
 

pasag

RTDAS
People of Indian origin could be Australians too! Like immigrants turned citizens. I guess these ppl would be far more interested in IPL then any other group. In Canada, I see many hooked up to the TV during IPL games
Yeah, that why I said 'Australian cricket team fans', all their ads on here focus on the Australian players involved, not the Indian ones and as far as I'm aware no effort has been made to target the Indian community. I'm not sure the numbers would justify it anyways.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
The people of Indian descent are going to watch it anyway. Marketing it to the general Australian public is the main focus of the media over here (and it's proving tough with the timeslot/general boringness of it all).
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
What nonsense you talking yo?. So how else would the international players being allowed to play in it without being banned by respective boards, unlike the rebel ICL.
No, since it is a domestic competition, there was no vote required.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
No, since it is a domestic competition, there was no vote required.
SS you a good poster shotta, but like you just burying yourself in this ideological gridlock and are justing refusing to accept the faults of the IPL.

Firstly, let me just correct myself on the notion that some vote was required to sanction the IPL. I have argued this thing so much now i confused myself.

But rather the IPL lead by Modi & BCCI using their power in the game - using the Ultimate "Carrot & Stick" policy, bullied the IPL into formation. But unlike the ICL in which players where banned by the ICC, the IPL had to gain some sort of concession from the ICC & international boards. Why else then did they:

- negotiation with international boards over player contracts, to prevent rifts (although it didn't help with SRI tour to ENG issue this year).

- NOC contracts to prevent who where considering retiring to the IPL

- Singing with MCC, in an agreement to uphold the spirit & laws of the game during the IPL

All this goes back to the well documented fault of how faulty the ICC is structured. Yea the IPL is India's idea, but no way in a proper sporting governing body, should they have been able to dictate their ultimatums of the tournament towards the ICC. A proper compromise should have been made.

So basically although its A domestic competition is been quite eruditely fronted as an international one.

ATM the IPL is here to stay, the most Modi n his goons can do its extend that 4 international rule to at least 6. While that Champions League nonsense needs to be scrapped ASAP....
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Well, I don't think the Australian public is really the target demographic. If people watch in Australia, that's great, but the Australian TV rights went for like $10 million, while Indian TV rights went for over $1 billion...

I think this desire to make it a global brand is not going to go anywhere - they have to make sure they don't alienate their fans in India first.
Thats thw whole problem with the IPL, has i keep telling you. It had to be created as a global brand, cricket is 10 nations FFS, this is not football. Given the shocking structure of the ICC, where the BCCI has so much power, they should use it with more proper discression. Although preferably revamping the ICC would be better.

When Manchester United, Barcelona, AC Milan etc where established. Do you think they would have so much of global following if they where only interested in their local base only?.

If IPL goes on for another 20 years, wouldn't be much better if in all the cricketing nations a West Indian, Australia etc could have a strong following to CSK, Mumbai indians etc?
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
SS you a good poster shotta, but like you just burying yourself in this ideological gridlock and are justing refusing to accept the faults of the IPL.

Firstly, let me just correct myself on the notion that some vote was required to sanction the IPL. I have argued this thing so much now i confused myself.
No, there are plenty of faults in the IPL. Not the ones you're talking about though.

But rather the IPL lead by Modi & BCCI using their power in the game - using the Ultimate "Carrot & Stick" policy, bullied the IPL into formation. But unlike the ICL in which players where banned by the ICC, the IPL had to gain some sort of concession from the ICC & international boards. Why else then did they:
Actually, they didn't. The boards did, and still do, have a right to prevent any player from their country from playing in the IPL for any reason.

negotiation with international boards over player contracts, to prevent rifts (although it didn't help with SRI tour to ENG issue this year).
Like what? They wanted international players to play, that's obvious.

- Singing with MCC, in an agreement to uphold the spirit & laws of the game during the IPL
What's that got to do with anything?

All this goes back to the well documented fault of how faulty the ICC is structured. Yea the IPL is India's idea, but no way in a proper sporting governing body, should they have been able to dictate their ultimatums of the tournament towards the ICC.
What ultimatum?
 

ret

International Debutant
Thats thw whole problem with the IPL, has i keep telling you. It had to be created as a global brand, cricket is 10 nations FFS, this is not football. Given the shocking structure of the ICC, where the BCCI has so much power, they should use it with more proper discression. Although preferably revamping the ICC would be better.
You have to realize that it is India where you get the most revenues so the Q is how much would making it global make sense when the key market is right there in your hands .... I would assume that most of the Indians would rather prefer to see their top 50-60 cricketers battle it out, along with a few 'top' overseas players .... Your point would make sense if the largest market was somewhere else and there was a need to tap in to it


When Manchester United, Barcelona, AC Milan etc where established. Do you think they would have so much of global following if they where only interested in their local base only?.
That's like comparing apples to oranges because those markets are not that huge by themselves which is the reason why they have to rely on going global or at least pan Europe, while India itself is a huge market which is probably as good as others combined .... And there are other reasons as well as to why those clubs are followed globally like football being a popular sport through out the world, football leagues lacking in quality in many countries and so on

If IPL goes on for another 20 years, wouldn't be much better if in all the cricketing nations a West Indian, Australia etc could have a strong following to CSK, Mumbai indians etc?
That's going to happen anyways! It is already the most followed domestic league in cricket the world over
 
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duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The people of Indian descent are going to watch it anyway. Marketing it to the general Australian public is the main focus of the media over here (and it's proving tough with the timeslot/general boringness of it all).
Even I didn't bother watching too much of it. Just cbf with work and other stuff to do. And I'm a fan of the tournie. Not sure how well it would've rated. Have Ten released any figures?
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
No, there are plenty of faults in the IPL. Not the ones you're talking about though.
Its already causing trauma to international cricket externally already with i presume you have seen the recent talks.

But out of genuine interest what are the internal IPL problems?



Actually, they didn't. The boards did, and still do, have a right to prevent any player from their country from playing in the IPL for any reason.
Why did you quote this part, when i listed the reason below?


Like what? They wanted international players to play, that's obvious.
I don't understand what you are saying here yo..



What's that got to do with anything?
Haa, if the IPL has you claim didn't need any relevant concession from the ICC as you claim. The wouldn't have collaborated with the MCC to uphold those laws. Like you getting lost b...


What ultimatum?
My god, come on SS like you sleeping top shotta. The ultimatum/ultimatums where obviously the as i said probably a million times, the erudite "Carrot & Stick" policy of the tempting millions vs the 4-international player rule".

If the ICC was proper governing body & proper compromise could have been made, where at least the 4-international player restriction rule would not have been implemented. The sooner you accept this, the better yo
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
You have to realize that it is India where you get the most revenues so the Q is how much would making it global make sense when the key market is right there in your hands .... I would assume that most of the Indians would rather prefer to see their top 50-60 cricketers battle it out, along with a few 'top' overseas players .... Your point would make sense if the largest market was somewhere else and there was a need to tap in to it.
Regardless of this obvious fact, that the Indian market alone can get massive revenue by itself. Does not give the IPL the right to manipulate the global cricket community to its benefit.

I dont see how, that market would be affected, if the 4 international player rule is restricted & the tournament was globally orientated.

Right now the majority of the cricketening globe (non-indians), probably just watch the IPL to see their players. There is no genuiene affection towards any particular team.

Plus with the fear of player burn-out in the FTP & a total lack of control over the spread of these T20 tournaments due to the poor ICC structure - which is causing talks of players probably going for T20 riches over international honours. This is a MASSIVE problem.




That's like comparing apples to oranges because those markets are not that huge by themselves which is the reason why they have to rely on going global or at least pan Europe, while India itself is a huge market which is probably as good as others combined .... And there are other reasons as well as to why those clubs are followed globally like football being a popular sport through out the world, football leagues lacking in quality in many countries and so on
Well yes you are right now that i think about it.

But the crust of my comparison with the football leagues to the IPL is that due to the poor ICC structure in which the BCCI has so much influence they where able to get the IPL established without much of a push.

Its similar in football terms as i said before to the Arabain Oil men creating a football league in UAE & telling all the big players they paying them 10-20 times more than their lucrative cluns - and they all go flocking. Thus showing a total lack of control over your constituents...



That's going to happen anyways! It is already the most followed domestic league in cricket the world over
As i said, thanks to the Indian base. Non-Indians as i just mention don't have no real affection towards the IPL.
 

ret

International Debutant
Most stuff is being repeated so will cut it in sort - just because a few cricketers from your country play in the IPL, it does not give you a stake in it. You have the option of watching them in your domestic, international or whatever cricket

Player burnout could be an issue but it's the Indian internationals who suffer the most. Indians don't seem to mind that so I see little point in someone complaining esp when the player of other country has the option of skipping it! I can understand your concern for their burnout but they are mature individuals capable of knowing what's best for them

The assumption that with more international players both Indians as well as non-Indians will be able to enjoy IPL equally is a fallacy. I have already explained that in one of my posts .... But with more teams likely to be added in future, the quality Indian players will be spread over more teams so more 'quality' international players would not be a bad idea. That should only be done if they don't have enough quality players coming up in domestic cricket because of factors like this

let's stop complaining and making mountains out of molehills
 
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silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
My god, come on SS like you sleeping top shotta. The ultimatum/ultimatums where obviously the as i said probably a million times, the erudite "Carrot & Stick" policy of the tempting millions vs the 4-international player rule".
Again, you can't just make stuff up - what ultimatum?
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
But out of genuine interest what are the internal IPL problems?
Too many foreign players in a squad. Too much reliance on youth. Not enough focus towards the Indian fanbase. Too few teams to get most people excited. Too many FC players ignored. Crappy tournament structure.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Just wondering, how would you focus it more towards the Indian fanbase?

I think that the large amount of foreign players in the squad is a necessary evil while there isn't a window for the IPL. They need that extra back-up in case that a squad is decimated by a tour that takes away a few of its best players.
 

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