honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
He was one of the reasons they won the semis.. Without which they won't have been in the finals..
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Sachin is perhaps the greatest ODI batsman of all time and even he is only above average in this format, on the evidence of the two IPLs... Dravid is significantly lesser than Sachin in limited overs cricket, so not at all a surprise for me...
pasag
RTDAS
It is because of age, nothing else. Some old dogs have been able to learn new tricks quicker than others. If the format was introduced when they were kids things would be substantially different, imho.
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Don't know about Dravid. He never remotely convinced me as an ODI batsman even when he was younger.
Sachin in his younger days would doubtless have dominated T20 just like he dominated everything else.
Athlai
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Probably because when he was 'younger' he wasn't any good.
Check out his record from 2003-2007.
I believe his record as ODI captain is brilliant too.
I've seen you express your point regarding Dravid (and similar players) in ODIs before. But no one is arguing Dravid is/was a Ponting or Sachin, but he was definitely in the top 10 ODI batsmen in the world at a point in his career.
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His average improves by half a point. His strike rate improves too, but is still very low. Cricinfo Statsguru - R Dravid - One-Day Internationals - Batting analysis
Half-decent, but certainly not convincing.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
That actually surprises me, as I actually expected him to average a few runs higher, so I'll concede this point. Its still a very good record as far as I'm concerned. Again, no one is saying he's a Ponting.
I think you underestimate the value of a consistent average of 40 over a 12+ year ODI career.
He will definitely be remembered as a 'convincing' ODI batsmen.
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I expected him to average more too tbh.
I generally think the "batting through" role is horrendously overrated. All it does is increase the pressure on everyone around you, and if you get out- and the majority of the time, you do- it leaves your team deep in the **** because you've let the run rate climb. You need a seriously good average to make it work, or you need to be batting in an extremely poor batting lineup to make it worth it. Players like Inzamam, Dravid, Kallis, Yousuf aren't worth half as much as most believe IMO- and Dravid has the worst record out of any of them.
biased indian
International Coach
younger tendulkar though more attacking was not consistent and had very poor ODI record too
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
But they all play a role in their respectice teams.
Dravid has had Sehwag, Yuvraj and Sachin around him. Inzy had Afridi, Razzaq, 'two random openers who were always out trying to go over the top' etc.
Seriously harsh on Kallis and Yousuf btw, their averages speak for themselves, and their strike rates are hardly poor. They've had the ability to lift when necessary (especially Yousuf). They adapted when necessary.
I think Dravid in 2006 was a top 10 ODI batsmen in the world at that time, but he cannot compare to Kallis and Yousuf in ODIs. Grouping them in the same criticisms of Dravid is misleading.
Dravid has had Sehwag, Yuvraj and Sachin around him. Inzy had Afridi, Razzaq, 'two random openers who were always out trying to go over the top' etc.
Seriously harsh on Kallis and Yousuf btw, their averages speak for themselves, and their strike rates are hardly poor. They've had the ability to lift when necessary (especially Yousuf). They adapted when necessary.
I think Dravid in 2006 was a top 10 ODI batsmen in the world at that time, but he cannot compare to Kallis and Yousuf in ODIs. Grouping them in the same criticisms of Dravid is misleading.
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
We're talking Tendulkar of 1998-2000, not 1993.
Smith
Banned
The present Indian captain believes otherwise and is all set to emulate Dravid, albeit for seemingly no particular reason. However good thing is that Dhoni indeed bats through.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Smith
Banned
I believe the term young has no different connotation when it comes to Tendulkar. Because from 1994 through 1996 (3 years), he averaged nothing less than 49.12 (Age - 21 to 23).
And from 1998 through 2003 (6 years), he averaged a staggering 52.70 (Age 25 to 30).
Had Tendulkar debuted at 25, and retired at 30, there would have been no doubt whatsoever as to who the best ever ODI player was.
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Smith
Banned
Meh due to the Strike Rate.
Ignoring the minnows, it is still a creditable 45, but the SR is pretty mediocre 75
Cricinfo Statsguru - JH Kallis - One-Day Internationals - Batting analysis
Good spot though. Never thought he was that consistent in ODIs.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
75 is pretty good considering his role in the side and his average is superb. Not a problem when Smith, Gibbs, AB and JP all strike close/over 80 and then you have Albie, Bouch, van der Merwe et cetera.
RainaRocks
Cricket Spectator
Kallis will be important for T20 but he will not be as important as Duminy, De Villiers etc. for SA