IPL criticisms

[vic_orthdox]

Biggest difference is the fact that these crowds are being pulled in when you have 9 teams based out of the one city in what is a national competition.

 

[Redbacks]

After giving it a few attempts -> T20 is lame

I think the main problem for test cricket may be that whilst we could revert back to only 4 or so teams playing the game at a higher standar and say STFU, the apparent strength of the domestic market in India essentially means the balance of power is gone. They don't need England, Australia, SA, NZ, WI etc's support to succeed, so just how far they take hold of this advantage and break away remains to be seen.

 

[aussie]

Looking at how effective the 4-international player restriction has been in "promoting Indian talent", in the two IPL's so for.

To date the Indian players outside, the international regulars, or past players who have shined are:

- Yusuf Pathan: i reckon its fair to say if it weren't for the IPL he wouldn't have played for India just yet.

- Nayar: has impressed but doubt he would ever play for India.

- Panday: looks a special talent, but such a talent would have likely been seen in Ranji trophy circuit anyway.

Other than that, total dominance by the international players. So that rule should be scrapped for obvious reasons.

 

[Jono]

^ That's such a ridiculous way of looking at things. So much wrong in that statement.

Firstly, the IPL is still a domestic competition for India, so a restriction of intl players makes sense. I understand arguments to increase it to 5 players, but that's about it. Its still the Indian Premier League, and Indian cricket will be at a disadvantage if you have Hyderabad or Mumbai represented by 8-9 international players.

Secondly, how on Earth can you judge how the IPL has helped discover Indian talent after only 2 seasons? The whole criticism of the Indian team has been that they shoudn't push unproven young players into the national team and squads too early. So you don't know the effect the tournament is going to have on a Harmeet Singh or Ravindra Jadeja or Kamran Khan until a few years.

Also, reckon you're missing a certain individual in your list that helped bowl Hyderabad to victory last night.

 

[silentstriker]

Looking at how effective the 4-international player restriction has been in "promoting Indian talent", in the two IPL's so for.

To date the Indian players outside, the international regulars, or past players who have shined are:

- Yusuf Pathan: i reckon its fair to say if it weren't for the IPL he wouldn't have played for India just yet.

- Nayar: has impressed but doubt he would ever play for India.

- Panday: looks a special talent, but such a talent would have likely been seen in Ranji trophy circuit anyway.

Other than that, total dominance by the international players. So that rule should be scrapped for obvious reasons.

I think it would be great to see international stars doing well. It helps the domestic players learn from the best. Too many internationals would be counterproductive.

 

[Smith]

Looking at how effective the 4-international player restriction has been in "promoting Indian talent", in the two IPL's so for.

To date the Indian players outside, the international regulars, or past players who have shined are:

- Yusuf Pathan: i reckon its fair to say if it weren't for the IPL he wouldn't have played for India just yet.

- Nayar: has impressed but doubt he would ever play for India.

- Panday: looks a special talent, but such a talent would have likely been seen in Ranji trophy circuit anyway.

Other than that, total dominance by the international players. So that rule should be scrapped for obvious reasons.

Pandey
Naman Ojha
Sudeep Tyagi
T Suman
A Nayar
Kamran Khan
R Jadeja

These are just 7 players who have never represented India in an International yet have come to be noted due to the IPL.

Next, your argument of foreigners dominating the IPL is as fallacious. Because you are simply comparing apples to oranges. International players in the IPL are virtually the cream. And considering they are 4 as compared to 7 Indian players on an average, it is obvious that they are the best talent available. On the other hand, considering the region specific restrictions and the mandatory youngsters to be included, there will be dilution of quality as far as the remaining players are concerned.

Yet, routine Indian internationals like Tendulkar, RP Singh, Mishra, Kumble, Dhoni, Raina, Sharma, Yuvraj, etc have all been successes. Compare the same with the success rates from other countries and you would get the picture.

 

[aussie]

^ That's such a ridiculous way of looking at things. So much wrong in that statement.

Firstly, the IPL is still a domestic competition for India, so a restriction of intl players makes sense. I understand arguments to increase it to 5 players, but that's about it. Its still the Indian Premier League, and Indian cricket will be at a disadvantage if you have Hyderabad or Mumbai represented by 8-9 international players.

Cricket is not football, its only 10 nations (9 strong nations if you wanna get specific). We don't need BCCI with is shocking power in the the game - to use its veto in gaining votes - along with its big money buisnessmen & entreprenuers. To front a local domestic tournament "to promote Indian talent" as a major international tournament. Since thats not in the interest of the global cricket community.

Secondly, how on Earth can you judge how the IPL has helped discover Indian talent after only 2 seasons? The whole criticism of the Indian team has been that they shoudn't push unproven young players into the national team and squads too early. So you don't know the effect the tournament is going to have on a Harmeet Singh or Ravindra Jadeja or Kamran Khan until a few years.

Haha. You seriously tellin me these two players have a future in the Indian team?.

Pandey is the only youngster that clearly has a future. The other one probably is Manoj Tiwary. That obvious talent in Pandey would have been noticed in the Ranji trophy surely?


All the Indian players who have done well in the IPL (the youngsters mainly) where already noticed before the IPL commenced except for Y Pathan.

Also, reckon you're missing a certain individual in your list that helped bowl Hyderabad to victory last night.

Has i said, nothing special & you know he would never play for India.

 

[Richard]

^ That's such a ridiculous way of looking at things. So much wrong in that statement.

Firstly, the IPL is still a domestic competition for India, so a restriction of intl players makes sense. I understand arguments to increase it to 5 players, but that's about it. Its still the Indian Premier League, and Indian cricket will be at a disadvantage if you have Hyderabad or Mumbai represented by 8-9 international players.

Secondly, how on Earth can you judge how the IPL has helped discover Indian talent after only 2 seasons? The whole criticism of the Indian team has been that they shoudn't push unproven young players into the national team and squads too early. So you don't know the effect the tournament is going to have on a Harmeet Singh or Ravindra Jadeja or Kamran Khan until a few years.

Also, reckon you're missing a certain individual in your list that helped bowl Hyderabad to victory last night.

Jonno, I don't know whether or not you're familiar, but aussie has historically viewed the IPL as a competition that "should" be one run in the interests of global cricket rather than Indian, and that it should instead of being a BCCI competition be one run jointly by all cricket boards.

Thus, it's wise to understand that any post on the matter is likely to come from this angle.

 

[Debris]

^ That's such a ridiculous way of looking at things. So much wrong in that statement.

Firstly, the IPL is still a domestic competition for India, so a restriction of intl players makes sense. I understand arguments to increase it to 5 players, but that's about it. Its still the Indian Premier League, and Indian cricket will be at a disadvantage if you have Hyderabad or Mumbai represented by 8-9 international players.

I think the IPL should be the other way. Restrict international players to one or perhaps 2 per side. It is meant to be a domestic competition, after all.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I reckon 4 players is a pretty good balance. Especially with all internationals not being available all the time.

 

[Jono]

Has i said, nothing special & you know he would never play for India.

I was talking about Pragyan Ojha, you know, the guy who took 3 wickets for **** all? Played his first intl after IPL1.

Don't watch the IPL if you don't like the fact that its being used to gain money whilst helping Indian cricket.

Go watch the EPL/P20.

I don't want to see 4 Australians, 3 South Africans, 2 Sri Lankans and 1 Englishmen play for Chennai, along with Dhoni.

 

[aussie]

I was talking about Pragyan Ojha, you know, the guy who took 3 wickets for **** all? Played his first intl after IPL1.

He is one of the young players who was already in the Indian set-up before the IPL 2008?. I first saw him play in SRI last august if i recall correctly..

Don't watch the IPL if you don't like the fact that its being used to gain money whilst helping Indian cricket.

India can still gain money & promote its talent, without having that International player restriction.

Go watch the EPL/P20.

Hopefully with consistent prayers, that tournament will not occur since its madness. It further proves how awful the ICC is set-up, in that now England want to get a big money tournament & want to mess up the domestic season which already has problems.

When the IPL could have just been the one major global T20 event.

I don't want to see 4 Australians, 3 South Africans, 2 Sri Lankans and 1 Englishmen play for Chennai, along with Dhoni.

I don't either. For fairness i'd say make it 6 international players & be flexible with selections.

 

[silentstriker]

More than half the players being non Indian? No thanks. That's what the CL is for.

 

[GIMH]

I was talking about Pragyan Ojha, you know, the guy who took 3 wickets for **** all? Played his first intl after IPL1.

Don't watch the IPL if you don't like the fact that its being used to gain money whilst helping Indian cricket.

Go watch the EPL/P20.

I don't want to see 4 Australians, 3 South Africans, 2 Sri Lankans and 1 Englishmen play for Chennai, along with Dhoni.

Yeah, look, I'm not the biggest defender of the Board of Control for cricket in india or whatever it's called (by any means!!) but the notion that the teams shouldn't be made up of Indians is a bit of a joke IMO. It's an Indian domestic competition for ****'s sake

 

[Furball]

Hopefully with consistent prayers, that tournament will not occur since its madness. It further proves how awful the ICC is set-up, in that now England want to get a big money tournament & want to mess up the domestic season which already has problems.

They're hardly screwing up their domestic calendar, the P20 simply replaces the Pro40 competition.

Of course, there is too much cricket in England's domestic season, but that's not the problem of Twenty20 cricket. It's a problem which has existed for years.

 

[Manee]

Haha. You seriously tellin me these two players have a future in the Indian team?.

Jadeja had the most prolific FC season for an all rounder in India in recent times, last year. He will be knocking on the doors of Test selection if he repeats or even comes close to repeating his 2008/9 season.

 

[Burgey]

It goes for too long, yet the games are too short.

That's about the extent of my criticism tbh.

 

[pasag]

Am with aussie here. Have argued it before at length though so couldn't be bothered doing it again.

 

[aussie]

More than half the players being non Indian? No thanks. That's what the CL is for.

In one game ALL 6 foreign players dont have to play. Selection can be flexible throughout the qualifying stage. But if a side gets to the semi's or final, they have the luxury then of using maximising the rule.

Look at the semi-final with Delhi & Deccan chargers. No doubt they would have wanted to pick Vettori, but they couldn't because of stupid restrictions.

They're hardly screwing up their domestic calendar, the P20 simply replaces the Pro40 competition.

Of course, there is too much cricket in England's domestic season, but that's not the problem of Twenty20 cricket. It's a problem which has existed for years.

Pro 40 is the main problem. Players want to ousted, so it just can be the Championship, FPT & T20.

The whole idea of that P20 is crazy, because they want to push the FC start of April, WTF. Who plays cricket over here so early geeez. Plus potentially merge counties into one team i.e Lancashire/Yorkshire or Middlesex/Sussex (not 100% sure if they are still going to do this BTW).

As i said its just simply, England wanting their own IPL which has horribly exposed how messed up the ICC is - in this worldwide T20 extravaganza. They have no control.

Using football as an example, its almost like them Arabain Oil men saying they creating a big money football league in the UAE or something, offer all the star players big cash & the all go rushing. Under the proper organised FIFA, that could neverrrrr happen - Lalit Modi basically runnin things...

Such shocking administrative loophole is a mockery to this wonderful sport.

Jadeja had the most prolific FC season for an all rounder in India in recent times, last year. He will be knocking on the doors of Test selection if he repeats or even comes close to repeating his 2008/9 season.

My mistake. Highlighted the wrong man, it should have been Kamran Khan.

 

[ret]

I haven't read the whole thread but would like to add that tourney's like IPL help Indian youngsters learn the ropes of international quicker as they get to play in that kind of an environment with overseas players, Indian international stars [who usually don't play in all domestic matches], pressure [including crowd], umpiring, and so on

One of the bummers for Indian domestic cricketer breaking in to international cricket was that there was a big learning curve as there is a difference in the two standards, along with some of the things that I mentioned above .... Playing IPL helps them understand international cricket, get accustomed to the pressure, learn abt the weaknesses in their games quickly [because of excellent support staff and fellow cricketers], addresses those weaknesses and so on so when they break in to international cricket the learning curve is short. And it also helps evaluate the cricketers better

Just for the above reasons, I wouldn't want more overseas players in the playing 11. if the limit has to be increased then it should not be more than 5. But I guess as the years pass with standard of Indian domestic cricket improving, the teams will only get stronger with better domestic players coming up and we may see mostly major overseas stars being signed up and with limited places an increase in competition for places amongst the overseas stars

And I appreciate the interest in IPL shown by the overseas fans and them wanting more overseas players. Probably shows the towering effect IPL has had and some of these folks have forgotten that it's an Indian domestic tourney, which is mainly designed for the Indian fans. But good to see them following it and tagging along.