Greatest individual performance ever

[Noble One]

Come on a very recent 319 by Sehwag IMO was very entertaining and brilliantly played.

But a "greatest individual performance ever"?

Fantastic innings, but 319 on an incredibly flat wicket is no major achievement. Sehwag has played many tougher innings, and I am sure he would rate his 319 nowhere near his greatest.

 

[Richard]

"Pressure" is quite an abstract concept.

People often use "pressure" when what they mean is "intensity". Pressure is not some sort of aura or field as some like to think of it as - it's a feeling in the mind. Thus, different people will feel pressurised by different things, some of which will be water off a duck's back to others.

Stephen Waugh relished what crushed Mark Ramprakash. As one example. This thing was high-intensity Test cricket. It caused phenomenal pressure on Ramprakash; it caused only an upping of the game in Waugh.

Pressure is unique to the individual, not uniform accross the board.

EDIT: essentially, what you said here.

 

[Richard]

But a "greatest individual performance ever"?

Fantastic innings, but 319 on an incredibly flat wicket is no major achievement. Sehwag has played many tougher innings, and I am sure he would rate his 319 nowhere near his greatest.

I find it inconceivable that Sehwag - or very many others - has or ever will bat better than that. Runway-esque pitch or not, he barely looked like getting out over a triple-century at over a-run-a-ball.

The only Sehwag innings I'd say compares is his chanceless century at Trent Bridge in 2002 when the ball was going around corners.

 

[Uppercut]

I find it inconceivable that Sehwag - or very many others - has or ever will bat better than that. Runway-esque pitch or not, he barely looked like getting out over a triple-century at over a-run-a-ball.

The only Sehwag innings I'd say compares is his chanceless century at Trent Bridge in 2002 when the ball was going around corners.

Sehwag himself says his best-ever innings- and I think you have probably simply forgotten it- was his 201* when Murali and Mendis were mauling the rest of his team.

 

[bagapath]

Only the chavs among the indo-pak community otherwise among the normal lot the realtionship is pretty easy.

i would have to agree with the above.

being an indian i, like millions of indians, rate several miandad, imran and akram performances against as among the very best moments test cricket can throw up. am sure there are enough sachin, gavaskar, sehwag and kapil fans across the border to make it even.

EDIT: if xuhaib's comment was more general in nature, i have to, again, agree with him. regular indians and pakistanis have nothing against one another and get along very well; in fact, better than they would with people from other countries since their language, food, music, movies and cricketing culture are quite similar.

 

[Richard]

Sehwag himself says his best-ever innings- and I think you have probably simply forgotten it- was his 201* when Murali and Mendis were mauling the rest of his team.

I had indeed forgotten it, for the pure and simple reason that Sri Lanka is the one regular cricket-playing country (ie, not Pakistan currently) that Sky do not show home matches from. England, South Africa, West Indies, Australia, India, New Zealand - every game from each of those countries is now covered, in highlights or via red button. And mostly I watch 'em in some guise. But Sri Lanka - still no.

I know little about that innings. On first glance, it does indeed appear more impressive than any other he's played.

 

[GIMH]

We don't get Bangladesh either if I recall correctly.

 

[Richard]

Fortunately of late Bangladesh have not hosted much cricket of significance. The less, the better.

 

[andruid]

I had indeed forgotten it, for the pure and simple reason that Sri Lanka is the one regular cricket-playing country (ie, not Pakistan currently) that Sky do not show home matches from. England, South Africa, West Indies, Australia, India, New Zealand - every game from each of those countries is now covered, in highlights or via red button. And mostly I watch 'em in some guise. But Sri Lanka - still no.

I know little about that innings. On first glance, it does indeed appear more impressive than any other he's played.

That's not strictly true

Fortunately of late Bangladesh have not hosted much cricket of significance. The less, the better.

For you maybe but for them

 

[Richard]

By "regular cricket-playing" I mean regular of the highest standard. And it's just fortunate for Test\ODI cricket if Bangladesh are playing irregularly.

 

[andruid]

By "regular cricket-playing" I mean regular of the highest standard. And it's just fortunate for Test\ODI cricket if Bangladesh are playing irregularly.

But Sri lanka hardly have much on the plate these days now that TV people like BSkyB, ESPN etc are in bed with the ICC on the FTP issue and no its not fortunate for Test or ODI cricket that Bangladesh are being so mailiciuosly side lined

 

[Athlai]

Fortunately of late Bangladesh have not hosted much cricket of significance. The less, the better.

What are you talking about! Bangladesh have been extremely competitive at home, while still traveling poorly they are finally bringing up their game at home much like all teams do when taking their first steps into becoming 'Test' class. They shook South Africa, Sri Lanka and New Zealand and may even be able to steal a win from a team in the years to come.

Mostly thanks to Shakib though.

 

[oitoitoi]

What are you talking about! Bangladesh have been extremely competitive at home, while still traveling poorly they are finally bringing up their game at home much like all teams do when taking their first steps into becoming 'Test' class. They shook South Africa, Sri Lanka and New Zealand and may even be able to steal a win from a team in the years to come.

Mostly thanks to Shakib though.

0 points in 10 years at the test level. It's time to call it a day mate, for now at least. Test cricket shouldn't be where Bangladeshi cricketers learn their cricket and hope to one day improve so they can compete, they should be doing that in their own domestic competition and by playing 4 day games against A sides and strong first class sides. They've given the odd team a scare at the test level, but rarely threatened to actually win a match, they're starting to produce players like shakib who are appraching test class, but untill they can field a side of such players they shouldn't be wasting spots and time in the ftp as well as boosting stats of opposition players.

 

[Uppercut]

What are you talking about! Bangladesh have been extremely competitive at home, while still traveling poorly they are finally bringing up their game at home much like all teams do when taking their first steps into becoming 'Test' class. They shook South Africa, Sri Lanka and New Zealand and may even be able to steal a win from a team in the years to come.

Mostly thanks to Shakib though.

Haven't won a Test tbh.

 

[Athlai]

0 points in 10 years at the test level. It's time to call it a day mate, for now at least. Test cricket shouldn't be where Bangladeshi cricketers learn their cricket and hope to one day improve so they can compete, they should be doing that in their own domestic competition and by playing 4 day games against A sides and strong first class sides. They've given the odd team a scare at the test level, but rarely threatened to actually win a match, they're starting to produce players like shakib who are appraching test class, but untill they can field a side of such players they shouldn't be wasting spots and time in the ftp as well as boosting stats of opposition players.

I'd fully agree if Bangladesh were still yet to play Test cricket but now it is too late and packing them away from Test cricket at this stage will do their development more harm than good. As I said they are improving at home and hopefully in the next ten years they'll be kicking ass and taking names.

 

[Richard]

I don't believe there's the slightest truth in that, I've been saying this for 4-5 years (Neil Pickup used to put that precise point accross that you claim there), but there's no way to be certain.

All I'll say is that the game is more important than any one team so thus I'd prefer ODI\Test cricket not be compromised than Bangladesh be given 20-30 years to drag it down and eventually end-up up-to-standard.

 

[rivera213]

Nah nothing to do with the grammar, more the fact that you thought it was a good idea to write in the following terms...

.... while later in the very same post conceding that I was right and you were wrong about the very point I'd been making....

I didn't mean talking from complete ignorance in regards to the Laker acheivement in particular, I meant in general.

No-one who wasn't at a game or saw it on TV "live" or extensive footage of it can garner a credible opinion in my mind.

As it happens, you got your info from a quote by someone who saw it first-hand whereas your post came across as though you were making assumptions based on statistics (which don't always tell the story- ask a professional Statistician).

If I were to say "Grace's 170 against Australia in 1886 was 1 of the best innings of all time!" would you think that was a credible opinion baring it mind it was almost 100 years before I was even born?

Come on, you know far well you wouldn't.

It's no different giving an opinion on any other game you haven't seen footage of.

Only the chavs among the indo-pak community otherwise among the normal lot the realtionship is pretty easy.

I don't speak to chavs or anyone of that ilk mate.

Though, it's a VERY sensitive subject so we'll have to stop talking about it.

 

[rivera213]

I find it inconceivable that Sehwag - or very many others - has or ever will bat better than that. Runway-esque pitch or not, he barely looked like getting out over a triple-century at over a-run-a-ball.

The only Sehwag innings I'd say compares is his chanceless century at Trent Bridge in 2002 when the ball was going around corners.

Yeah I agree.

When I was watching it live, I thought he'd smash Lara's record and until he got out, he was as dead set as anyone I've seen including both of Lara's big innings and Hayden's 380.

 

[zaremba]

As it happens, you got your info from a quote by someone who saw it first-hand whereas your post came across as though you were making assumptions based on statistics (which don't always tell the story- ask a professional Statistician).

Can you explain to me where in my post I gave the impression that I was making assumptions based on statistics? I quoted extensively from someone who was playing in the game and made no reference to stats at all.

 

[aussie]

I find it inconceivable that Sehwag - or very many others - has or ever will bat better than that. Runway-esque pitch or not, he barely looked like getting out over a triple-century at over a-run-a-ball.

The only Sehwag innings I'd say compares is his chanceless century at Trent Bridge in 2002 when the ball was going around corners.

His 155 Chennai 04 i reckon is his best innings.