***Official*** West Indies in England

[superkingdave]

Prior and Shah just filler players really. Hopefully Morgan gets a chance for a decent bat in Birmingham and does well. Shah is just meh, has an average record, but we are not really going to progress to become a half decent ODI side with him in the side i reckon. Also could do with Patel losing his weight, either him or Morgan could tak Shah's position. Davies had a solid FP trophy and the argument for Prior over him in ODI cricket looks more ridiculous as the days go by.

 

[Howsie]

Prior and Shah just filler players really. Hopefully Morgan gets a chance for a decent bat in Birmingham and does well. Shah is just meh, has an average record, but we are not really going to progress to become a half decent ODI side with him in the side i reckon. Also could do with Patel losing his weight, either him or Morgan could tak Shah's position. Davies had a solid FP trophy and the argument for Prior over him in ODI cricket looks more ridiculous as the days go by.

So would Bopara move back down into the middle order if Davies came in for Prior.

 

[TT Boy]

So would Bopara move back down into the middle order if Davies came in for Prior.

Ideal world, the captain would go.

 

[grecian]

Foster, Ambrose and Davies well ahead of Kiesweter for me, scoring runs at Taunton always has an asterix next to it, for me. Yet another dodgy 'keeper too, IMHO.

But yeah, anyone but Prior....

 

[superkingdave]

Yeah, with Strauss there its a problem, but would probably have to go

Bopara/Strauss
Davies
Strauss/Bopara
KP
Patel/Morgan
Collingwood
Flintoff
Mascarenhas
Broad
Swann
Anderson/Sidebottom

Batting line up should always be flexible imo. Strauss could do what Langer does down at Somerset and only bat if necessary

Still unsold on Jimmy in ODI's at the moment but it looks like his improved control in tests might help him ODI's but he's always hittable, especially when its not swinging.

Dissapointed that Morgan is batting so low today..should have given him the chance at 5, we already know what Collie can do.

 

[Howsie]

Would there be any need for Mascarenhas then?

 

[roseboy64]

Morgan'll bat today.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Foster, Ambrose and Davies well ahead of Kiesweter for me, scoring runs at Taunton always has an asterix next to it, for me. Yet another dodgy 'keeper too, IMHO.

But yeah, anyone but Prior....

 

[Neil Pickup]

I think Obelix would cut off the byes more effectively.

 

[grecian]

Yes, rather a schoolboy error

Bit like Owais Shah's running between the wickets

I think Obelix would cut off the byes more effectively.

 

[superkingdave]

That innings pretty much a microcosm of Shahs problems, scored slowly to start with, gets a few runs, gets run out. When you struggle in the field and are poor between the wickets, you'd better be more than an average batsman. Clock is ticking

 

[grecian]

Well done England, comprehensive performance. Still the odd question mark with the batting line-up, but it's nice to be winning.

 

[TT Boy]

Yeah, another good clinical win.

Shame about the Windies. Seems to be 1 step forward, two step back. Get Nash into the ODI side. At least he can bat.

 

[GIMH]

And they can't even blame the weather...

Come on, everyone knows that it's different on May 24th to any other time of year

 

[Jono]

Lol wrong thread.

Umm, well done England though

 

[roseboy64]

Come on, everyone knows that it's different on May 24th to any other time of year

Nothing to do with weather today. They weren't cold out there were they?

 

[aussie]

Prior and Shah just filler players really. Hopefully Morgan gets a chance for a decent bat in Birmingham and does well. Shah is just meh, has an average record, but we are not really going to progress to become a half decent ODI side with him in the side i reckon.

How is Shah just a fill in player?. The man has clearly cemented himself into the ODI middle order player since IND 07. Of course Morgan being in the side now, will put pressure on him - but by no means is his place in question ATM.

Also could do with Patel losing his weight, either him or Morgan could tak Shah's position. Davies had a solid FP trophy and the argument for Prior over him in ODI cricket looks more ridiculous as the days go by.

Davies needs another consistent season with the blade as an opener to be considered. Plus James Foster chances of replacing Prior is just as solid.

Prior clearly is not good enough to bat up the order in ODI cricket, so that a selectorial blunder that hadn't payed off, in efforts to let him open the batting.

He could do a job as he should glimpses off in the WI as a solid finisher, since he can hit the ball into weird area's & his technical deficiences won't be exposed if he bats up the order.

 

[rivera213]

Ideal world, the captain would go.

Yeah, with Strauss there its a problem

I don't have a problem with Strauss opening at all since there is need for stability in the 50 over game.

People are too obsessed with the Australia blueprint- Hayden and Gilchrist blasting it at the top, and if you've got those type of players- use them, but there's more than 1 way to be successful.

I'd rather 1 man be a wall at 1 end (averaging 80 or so which Strauss does when in form) and have the guys like Bopara, Pietersen, Morgan (I'd replace Shah straight away since he isn't up to it at international level in any format of the game), Mascarenhas & Flintoff (when he's back) be given a licence to play shots.

I'd have, with everyone fit:

Strauss (c)
Bopara
Pietersen
Collingwood
Flintoff
Patel (I don't care if he's fat- he's good!)
Davies (wk)
Mascarenhas
Swann
Broad
Bresnan


I don't like Anderson for limited overs cricket and although we've bowled the West Indies out cheaply, against South Africa, India, Australia's batting line-ups, it's our bowling which'll be exposed.

I think Mascarenhas is an under-rated bowler in limited overs cricket. He generally bowls a tight straight line and is slow enough that batsmen have to put the pace on the ball themself.

Medium pacers like him and Collingwood are essential for the middle period of a game IMO.

 

[Scaly piscine]

How is Shah just a fill in player?. The man has clearly cemented himself into the ODI middle order player since IND 07. Of course Morgan being in the side now, will put pressure on him - but by no means is his place in question ATM.

Because as soon as anyone decent comes along Shah will be out of the side. He's a mediocre batsman and contributes little otherwise. Him playing just screams that the selectors either have no options or don't want to win anything.

 

[aussie]

Because as soon as anyone decent comes along Shah will be out of the side.

He's a mediocre batsman and contributes little otherwise. Him playing just screams that the selectors either have no options or don't want to win anything.

Shotta, since Shah was given a chance in 07 to cement his place in the ODI side he has averaged 36, with some solid middle-order performaces. How this is mediocre is beyond me.

Eion Morgan is definately more naturally talented than him & is clearly going to be a big player in the ODI side future - and Shah mainly does have to watch his back. But right now, his place is not under threat, so calls for him to be dropped right now is crazy.