***Official*** IPL 2009

[Smith]

Tendulkar is awesome? Tell me something i didn't know. That's the easy part.

Gilchrist's strike rates are even more destructive (ignoring those Bermuda and Kenya innings, which really aren't especially relevant).

Bat1  	Runs  	BF  	SR  	4s  	6s  	 	Opposition  	Ground  	Start Date  	
69*  	69  	37  	186.48  15  	0  	 	v England  	Sydney  	23 Jan 2003  	ODI # 1940
51 	51 	29 	175.86 	6 	2 		v New Zealand 	Adelaide 	14 Dec 2007 	ODI # 2655
83 	83 	50 	166.00 	11 	2 		v Sri Lanka 	Melbourne 	29 Feb 2008 	ODI # 2687
70 	70 	44 	159.09 	12 	1 		v Pakistan 	Nottingham 	19 Jun 2001 	ODI # 1725
52 	52 	34 	152.94 	8 	2 		v South Africa 	Port Elizabeth 	6 Apr 2002 	ODI # 1824
54 	54 	36 	150.00 	8 	1 		v Pakistan 	Lord's 	20 Jun 1999 	ODI # 1484
91 	91 	61 	149.18 	9 	4 		v New Zealand 	Napier 	5 Mar 2005 	ODI # 2234
54 	54 	37 	145.94 	8 	1 		v New Zealand 	Wellington 	1 Mar 2005 	ODI # 2232
149 	149 	104 	143.26 	13 	8 		v Sri Lanka 	Bridgetown 	28 Apr 2007 	ODI # 2581
61 	61 	45 	135.55 	10 	1 		v India 	Kochi 	1 Apr 1998 	ODI # 1300
122 	122 	91 	134.06 	13 	4 		v Sri Lanka 	Brisbane 	14 Feb 2006 	ODI # 2330
88 	88 	66 	133.33 	14 	0 		v South Africa 	Sydney 	5 Feb 2006 	ODI # 2323
95 	95 	72 	131.94 	14 	1 		v India 	Sydney 	22 Jan 2004 	ODI # 2086
128 	128 	98 	130.61 	9 	7 		v New Zealand 	Christchurch 	26 Feb 2000 	ODI # 1569
103 	103 	79 	130.37 	8 	4 		v ICC World XI 	Melbourne (Dock) 	7 Oct 2005 	ODI # 2283
51 	51 	40 	127.50 	5 	3 		v South Africa 	Durban 	12 Apr 2000 	ODI # 1587
76 	76 	60 	126.66 	10 	1 		v India 	Margao 	6 Apr 2001 	ODI # 1701
68 	68 	54 	125.92 	9 	0 		v New Zealand 	Melbourne (Dock) 	5 Dec 2004 	ODI # 2196
60 	60 	48 	125.00 	9 	1 		v New Zealand 	Sydney 	8 Dec 2004 	ODI # 2198
55 	55 	44 	125.00 	9 	0 		v South Africa 	Johannesburg 	12 Mar 2006 	ODI # 2349
51 	51 	42 	121.42 	8 	0 		v Pakistan 	Sydney 	4 Feb 2000 	ODI # 1556
121* 	121 	101 	119.80 	17 	2 		v England 	The Oval 	12 Jul 2005 	
154 	154 	129 	119.37 	14 	4 		v Sri Lanka 	Melbourne 	7 Feb 1999 	ODI # 1403
124 	124 	104 	119.23 	12 	4 		v England 	Melbourne 	15 Dec 2002 	ODI # 1919

EDIT: Trying to get the code right. Hadn't used it before.

Who doubted Gilly's destructiveness? The only qualification there is that Tendulkar's most destructive innings came in the 90s, when a batsman could easily make himself permanent in an ODI team with a SR of 70. Also, a 140 from 100 is much better than a 70 from 50 even though the two have same SR in paper.

Tendulkar was as destructive as Gilly during his heydays. Since 2003, he's not. But he's as effective.

 

[Redbacks]

^^ you just chopped out his 2003 WC final 57 off 48 - 6x4 and 1x6 @118

 

[Uppercut]

Who doubted Gilly's destructiveness? The only qualification there is that Tendulkar's most destructive innings came in the 90s, when a batsman could easily make himself permanent in an ODI team with a SR of 70. Also, a 140 from 100 is much better than a 70 from 50 even though the two have same SR in paper.

Tendulkar was as destructive as Gilly during his heydays. Since 2003, he's not. But he's as effective.

Quite.

Anyway, "destructiveness" isn't a term that can be measured empirically. When i say Gilchrist is more destructive than Tendulkar, i don't really mean he scores faster, it's a reference to how he bats too. Calling one of Sachin's innings destructive, where he strokes the ball to the cover boundary time after time, seems somewhat inappropriate to me. Gilchrist was destructive in the sense that he repeatedly bludgeoned the ball into next week in order to score his runs. So, while understanding that it may not specifically always be an especially good thing, I'd always sooner use the word "destructive" to describe Gilchrist than Tendulkar. And i think, generally, most people would do the same.

 

[Smith]

Quite.

Anyway, "destructiveness" isn't a term that can be measured empirically. When i say Gilchrist is more destructive than Tendulkar, i don't really mean he scores faster, it's a reference to how he bats too. Calling one of Sachin's innings destructive, where he strokes the ball to the cover boundary time after time, seems somewhat inappropriate to me. Gilchrist was destructive in the sense that he repeatedly bludgeoned the ball into next week in order to score his runs. So, while understanding that it may not specifically always be an especially good thing, I'd always sooner use the word "destructive" to describe Gilchrist than Tendulkar. And i think, generally, most people would do the same.

I think people forget how Tendulkar used to bat from 1989 till 1998 in ODIs. Of course, he was all class in tests from the beginning. But in ODIs, he was a mixture of class, slog and cheekiness. His heavy bat is testimony to this. And those who watched his epoch making hundreds against Australia in Sharjah can see how he really slogged Australia to submission. There were the deft touches, yes, and the cover drives, but the slogs far out weighed the sublime.

That said, with his coming of age in 97-99 as one of the greatests, had an effect on his ODI batting as well. Gone were the slogs and heavy bats, although injuries had their say in the matter. I'd say Tendulkar of today has only one slog shot, the lofted sweep across the line to spinners. The wine matured and how.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

mecrapbrain

 

[Pratters]

Robin Uthappa has played 13 of the 14 games played by RC Bangalore. Bang in the middle of these 13 games (in the 7th against Mumbai Indians) he scored 62 in 44 balls. In the six games before and the five games after, in which he has batted, he has scored. . .

[B]Versus	Runs	Balls	St Rt[/B]

RR	3	10	30
CSK	20	19	105
DC	12	19	63
K XI	0	1	0
DD	3	8	38
K XI	19	17	112
RR	17	20	85
MI	4	4	100
KKR	7	9	78
CSK	6	4	150
DD	1	5	20

[B]Overall	92	116	79[/B]

Thats a batting average of 8.4 in 11 of the 12 games he has played at 4.8 runs per over. The guy is a cricketing disaster in any format of the game, not just T-20 where his attempts to mimic Sir Vivian Richard would be laughable if they were not so pathetic.

There isn't a single innings in those 11 - not one - that can be said to be worth another game and I saw all the games of RC Bangalore. On top of that, this highly over-hyped fielder has dropped some of the most horrendous sitters in IPL 2009.

I am not aware of his being related to Dr Mallaya. Can any one tell me why this guys is playing so many games?

He is dire. He gets a chance because he is supposed to be a talent. I don't see the talent aspect any where in his game though. It is ridden with serious technical faults. He looks at sea facing good bowling. You don't know stats to prove that he is terrible.

 

[Manee]

mecrapbrain

I'm not too sure, tbh.

 

[SJS]

Tendulkar's definitely a better ODI batsman than Gilchrist, but i wouldn't call him as destructive. Until he manages something as ridiculous as 85 off 35.

I think Sachin has a completely different role - I am talking ODI's here. You dont destroy a team by just scoring a 35 ball 85. Its also how often and how many runs you score. Against Sanath and Gilly's 15.5 innings per 100, Sachin gets a hundred every 11th inning for the same teams as I just did for those two. Actually he got his first hundred close to his 70th game or so (he was batting in the lower middle order till then) and since then he has had a hundred in every 9th inning or so.

His fifties (again against the same teams) come once every 3.25 innings. To that you add the 86 strike rate and his type of destruction takes a different meaning.

 

[Briony]

Gilly's indisputably more destructive than Tendulkar in ODIs and T20s, regardless of the consistency factor or how many runs they score. If you're talking destructive regarding the manner of scoring runs, definitely Gilly.

 

[ret]

Since IPL is coming to an end, I have begun to think abt the next season already!

It was sad to see two teams from the west [RR and MI] crash out. RR had a good chance but for Warney's selection policy for the last game and then the batting order of Ojha, Asnodkar and Niraj in top 4

When the transfer window opens, MI should get Hayden and Symmo in, along with Sreesant. They already have Bhajji so that will make it an explosive team [on and off the field]

 

[ret]

Toss and team news: Bangalore will bowl first. Kumble's banking on his team's good chasing record here. Just the one change for Bangalore. The injured Akhil goes out and Vinay Kumar comes in.

Dhoni announced two changes. Jakati comes in for Ashwin while Hayden returns and replaces George Bailey. Bangalore, beware.

Dhoni chould have played Bailey and dropped Oram

Hayden and Bailey would have been a good opening combination

 

[Agent TBY]

When the transfer window opens, MI should get Hayden and Symmo in, along with Sreesant. They already have Bhajji so that will make it an explosive team [on and off the field]

Would fit the Indians monicker very well, tbh. Internal conflict ftw.

 

[pasag]

 

[Redbacks]

give Patel the strike!!

 

[Furball]

Gilly's indisputably more destructive than Tendulkar in ODIs and T20s, regardless of the consistency factor or how many runs they score. If you're talking destructive regarding the manner of scoring runs, definitely Gilly.

DWTA.

Gilchrist is just as likely to depart for a run a ball 10 or 15 as he is to absolutely destroy an opposition.

I'd have both as my opening pair in an all time ODI XI though. But Tendulkar statistically is so far in front of anyone else who's opened in ODIs it's not funny.

 

[pasag]

In a fair bit of trouble here and Hayden hasn't even gotten going yet.

 

[pasag]

Hayden out, still going to be a fair effort to restrict them to 170 which is the most we can chase (on a good day).

 

[pasag]

Patel out, big wicket, was looking really good. Kallis bowling well.

Lol at the ad for the final, Delhi vs Chennai. So poor.

 

[cover drive man]

Projected score:148, but the run rate usually increases in the second half.

 

[pasag]

Chennai stuttering a bit here. Raina gone.