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[Goughy]

Dave is of course the best of all those West Indian spinners mentioned.

1 min to respond. Fair effort

 

[superkingdave]

I was actually posting saying Dave was better than all the spinners mentioned above, but when i clicked post reply, Beamers post had appeared so I quickly changed my post to take it into account.

 

[roseboy64]

How so?

In a potential all seam attack of Taylor/Edwards/Rampaul/Bravo.

Bravo along with Taylor is the most disciplined bowler, partnership breaker & when conditions suite i.e Manchester 04, Adelaide 05. He can be very dangerous.

But he still is only a 4th seamer. He aint good enough play as a 3rd seamer, so that suggestion would throw the bowling balance of further.

Another specialist bowler is needed in that lineup is what I meant. Yeah he'd be 4th seamer. No problem with that. Would like to include another bowler though as the batting should be string enough to not need to put Bravo that low in the batting.

 

[Furball]

Not sure if Jaggernauth when it comes to international cricket, really is an outright better spinner Benn.

Of course he is, Sulieman Benn is ****ing rubbish. One decent test on a helpful pitch doesn't change that.

 

[shivfan]

Not sure if Jaggernauth when it comes to international cricket, really is an outright better spinner Benn. Of course he seems that maybe in helpul conditions he would probably get more purchase than Benn, but other than that, the tall Bajan is better in most other areas TBH.

No way is Shillingford better than Benn come on, he aint even better than Rawl Lewis for the windwards.

Miller hmm, WI seem to prefer him in ODI's but don't think he has anything over Benn really. They probably about even.

Haven't seen Brown & Wallace so no comment....

The thing is, when you look at the Tests the WI have played at home and away against England, Benn was right up there with Edwards and Taylor as the leading wicket-takers, so even though I'm not a fan of Benn, I think he's done enough to merit being among those names immediately pencilled in for the Test series against Bangladesh....

Personally, I think it's pointless having a revolving door with Baker, Richardson and Pascal, or even Powell, when none of them are better at taking wickets than Taylor or Edwards right now. I really do think that we should have Bravo as the third seamer, if needed, and our additional bowler should be a right-handed spinner.

Sadly, Jaggs' stats this season were not good, while Dave MOhammed had such a poor season for Trinidad, that he was apparently dropped for the last couple of games....

 

[Uppercut]

Of course he is, Sulieman Benn is ****ing rubbish. One decent test on a helpful pitch doesn't change that.

Seems to me he can do one part of the job- taking advantage when conditions suit- but not the other part- keeping it tight and chipping in when they don't.

 

[King Pietersen]

Talking of Benn, I find it bizarre that the Sky Commentary team, Botham especially, rate Benn very highly. Makes me wonder if he actually watches the cricket. Botham and Hussain's punditry often winds me up, and makes them come across an incredibly mis-informed. Hussain's constantly talking up the need for out and out pace in the England Test side, talking up names like Mahmood, Harmison and even bloody Woakes the other day. To list Woakes in a list of bowlers who are supposedly genuinely quick is baffling and makes me wonder if he actually watches County Cricket.

 

[TT Boy]

Talking of Benn, I find it bizarre that the Sky Commentary team, Botham especially, rate Benn very highly. Makes me wonder if he actually watches the cricket. Botham and Hussain's punditry often winds me up, and makes them come across an incredibly mis-informed. Hussain's constantly talking up the need for out and out pace in the England Test side, talking up names like Mahmood, Harmison and even bloody Woakes the other day. To list Woakes in a list of bowlers who are supposedly genuinely quick is baffling and makes me wonder if he actually watches County Cricket.

He doesn't. Alongside Gower, he is close to useless.

 

[grecian]

Talksport is saying that KP is out of the one-day series with an achilles

May put money on England, if so.........

 

[pskov]

Said it was an injury he's been carrying for a while and they have decided to have him sit out this ODI series so he can rest it up and get it properly healed in time for the World T20 and the Ashes. Interesting to see how England will line up in the ODIs now though, maybe Morgan will get his chance?

 

[TT Boy]

Huge blow.

 

[King Pietersen]

Massive blow for England. Hes due a big score! At least we'll get to try Eoin Morgan out though.

 

[aussie]

Shillingford is the biggest turner of a cricket ball in the Caribbean. He has much better stats than Rawl Lewis so I don't know where that came from.

I have actually seen Shillingford bowl. I was in Trinidad in 2004 & 2006 saw him bowl in a FC matches - and don't think he's better than Lewis. The notion is he is probably the biggest turner of in WI i don't agree with, since i think that accolade goes to Jaggernauth.

These are the FC records (excluding tests) of the spinners I mentioned:

Benn - 44 matches, 148 wickets @ 28.71, econ 2.95

Jaggernauth - 49 matches, 195 wickets @ 23.31, econ 2.63

Shillingford - 49 matches, 171 wickets @ 25.55, econ 2.55

Wallace - 13 matches, 45 wickets @ 23.00, econ 3.54

Brown - 29 matches, 105 wickets @ 22.67, econ 2.84

Miller - 34 matches, 141 wickets @ 19.31, econ 2.00

Mohamed - 62 matches, 212 wickets @ 24.80, econ 2.79

Lewis - 120 matches, 294 wickets @ 31.40, econ 2.82

If you are going by stats and perfromance over the last 3 years you would have to go with Miller or Jaggernauth. If you were going with raw ability you would have to choose Wallace.

FC records in this 2000s era for WI bowlers & bats hardly mean much really, since as we both know since Gayle & Sarwan debuted most players have been picked on talent.

Based on what i remember Benn was selected on his FC either - it was how good he looked in the Standford T20 & although he may not be a world-beater - but along with Jaggernauth they can pass @ test level ATM.

 

[aussie]

Another specialist bowler is needed in that lineup is what I meant. Yeah he'd be 4th seamer. No problem with that. Would like to include another bowler though as the batting should be string enough to not need to put Bravo that low in the batting.

But the batting isn't strong enough. Having Bravo @ 6 & Ramdin @ 7, in test matches aint a recipe for success.

 

[Flem274*]

Talking of Benn, I find it bizarre that the Sky Commentary team, Botham especially, rate Benn very highly. Makes me wonder if he actually watches the cricket. Botham and Hussain's punditry often winds me up, and makes them come across an incredibly mis-informed. Hussain's constantly talking up the need for out and out pace in the England Test side, talking up names like Mahmood, Harmison and even bloody Woakes the other day. To list Woakes in a list of bowlers who are supposedly genuinely quick is baffling and makes me wonder if he actually watches County Cricket.

Hussain is rubbish at commentary, and it seems, judging players. One of the best bowlers under his leadership was a RFM bowler names Andrew Caddick ffs, you'd think he'd think about what he's saying.

Actualy, solid gritty not-as-talented-as-some batsmen seem to have a thing for fast bowlers. Mark Richardson clearly wants to have *** with Mitchell McClennaghan, who atm is about as much use as Harmison (reminds me of his a bit actualy)/

Who even is Woakes?

 

[roseboy64]

But the batting isn't strong enough. Having Bravo @ 6 & Ramdin @ 7, in test matches aint a recipe for success.

Bowling wins matches though.

 

[superkingdave]

Hopefully its Morgan and not Bell who plays tomorrow. (hopefully it doesn't rain either, not much shelter on the western terrace)

 

[BoyBrumby]

Hopefully its Morgan and not Bell who plays tomorrow. (hopefully it doesn't rain either, not much shelter on the western terrace)

In Yorkshire no one can hear you scream.

Morgan interviewed on SSN in the report about Pietersen's injury so they reckon that's the way we'll go. We obvious have a foreigner-quota to maintain.

 

[pskov]

Hussain is rubbish at commentary, and it seems, judging players. One of the best bowlers under his leadership was a RFM bowler names Andrew Caddick ffs, you'd think he'd think about what he's saying.

Actualy, solid gritty not-as-talented-as-some batsmen seem to have a thing for fast bowlers. Mark Richardson clearly wants to have *** with Mitchell McClennaghan, who atm is about as much use as Harmison (reminds me of his a bit actualy)/

Who even is Woakes?

Promising youngster who had an encouraging debut season last year and has started this season very well. One for the future possibly, but he is no more than Hoggard/Sidebottom pace which makes Nasser's comment so odd.

 

[four_or_six]

Hussain is rubbish at commentary, and it seems, judging players. One of the best bowlers under his leadership was a RFM bowler names Andrew Caddick ffs, you'd think he'd think about what he's saying.

Actualy, solid gritty not-as-talented-as-some batsmen seem to have a thing for fast bowlers. Mark Richardson clearly wants to have *** with Mitchell McClennaghan, who atm is about as much use as Harmison (reminds me of his a bit actualy)/

Who even is Woakes?

I really like Hussain on commentary. Perhaps it's just taste. And as for Woakes, a bit early yet but I reckon he's the one of the brightest young prospects in county cricket atm. He's certainly getting the results.