Goughy
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Not by the people that are members and actually pay to watch and follow county cricket.
County cricket is NOT a vehicle for producing Test cricketers and getting them match fit.
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***Official*** English Domestic Season 2009
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County cricket is NOT a vehicle for producing Test cricketers and getting them match fit.
superkingdave
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Don't really mind him doing well, it doesn't really matter, was stunting the development of our next generation having him in the side and was apparently a cause of unrest in the dressing room. Hampshire are in a different position to us and Cork fits better in their side.
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Yeah, true story. Hampshire lack a bit of experience at times, and Cork's influence on the younger generation is obvious even in this match with Hazar Riazuddin turning in an excellent performance following up his early wickets.
four_or_six
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Disagree with that. I would think the majority (maybe not all) Lancs fans would like to see Flintoff play as well as possible in the Ashes. It would seem a total farce if Flintoff is sitting on his backside when he could be batting and preparing for the Ashes. He should bat in as many FC innings as possible. If Lancs aren't up for that, he should move counties.
Goughy
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You may disagree with it but it isnt about opinion, it is about fact. The Counties are not subservient to the Test team and to the Counties the needs of the Test team are secondary to their own needs.
And quite rightly so. They do not exist to feed the International team as much as some people may think they should.
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Are they financially dependent on the international side?
four_or_six
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Flintoff's performances in 2005 brought in millions of £ to the ECB, and the counties rely on the ECB for funding. For what he's done for English cricket, Flintoff more than deserves the chance to bat in one match to get himself into peak condition. I hope Lancs show him that loyalty. Who knows, they may be rewarded with a hundred.
superkingdave
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Of course we all want to see Flintoff play well in the Ashes. That's not really the question. If you asked Lancs fans whether they'd rather see England win the ashes or win the county championship you might be surprised. Certainly a lot of Lancs fans i've seen are of the opinion we shouldn't put Flintoff straight into the side if he can't bowl.
At the end of the day, he will play regardless but would Broad, Swann or Bresnan play for their counties in FC as specialist batsmen if they couldn't bowl and had no batting form? Flintoff's batting is on a par with them, just the media and sections of the public still think he bats like he did in 2004 & 2005
four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
I reckon if you polled people in Lancs (not the few thousand Lancastrians who actually turn up to CC matches), I don't think you'd get that result. I would totally understand if it's playing him as a batsman for a run of matches, but I think for just one then it's a totally different matter.
Of course, if we abolished the system that we have in cricket and go to football where internationals aren't the most important form financially and to the majority of fans, then it's different. But I hope if we do go that way then we can get rid of the county system totally and go to something more regional or perhaps city-based, as having a regional competition that only covers parts of the country is rubbish. But that's another matter entirely.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
The England cricket team is a representative team from the Counties and the ECB is run by the Counties (FC & minor).
It works differently in England than elsewhere. The Counties run the game and the International team is a product of the Counties. Other places the FC teams exist as a product to develop the national team.
In UK, the Counties control FC and Int whereas elsewhere the Board controls FC.
The counties are not subsidised by the national team in so much as they 'own' the national team.
wpdavid
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Surrey have messed him around a bit in the oneday game. He's batted down the order lots of times and sometimes not even been selected. But it's pretty obvious that if he's allowed a decent run opening in the List A games he'll eventually do OK.Wow, Scotty Newman.
Always surprised that his average in one day cricket was so slow. Such an attacking player, you would think he would thrive with the fielding restrictions.
Whether Surey can defend 330odd remains to be seen.
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stumpski
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Goughy
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Is the game televised?Connell to be playing for England this time next year.
SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
Jesus Christ! Thank god that wasnt on TV thats all i can say. Not only did we lose but we wasted such a good start to this competition too. I guess we took our eye off the ball, especially when we bowled them out cheaply. 
TT Boy
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I think Kent need to knock over Warks for less than 180 odd to go through. So once Warks pass that, Kent will just give-up.
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stumpski
International Captain
Oh OK, nobody's mentioned that small detail since I've been watching. Rather takes the tension out of the game I must say.
Yorkshire 185-4 off 31, they're not far off the pace.