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[Jigga988]

Has he done enough to play in the first Test at Lords?

And if so, who does he come in for? Does he replace Baker, or should he come in for Smith, with Simmons opening, and Nash batting at four?

Find out next week on the West Indies... sounds like a bad sitcom tbh.

 

[Jigga988]

I meant his overall FC average, not his yearly performances.

Smith earned the right to play at test level and messed up even more comprehensively than Daren Ganga (and that is quite an achievement).

Now Barath is the most impressive opening batsman not to have been given a chance yet. The fact that he is 19 does not bother me as he has now done very well in 2 full FC seasons and performed pretty well in the other.

He may not be better than Smith but he has earned the right to be tested out at the highest level. When you say he is not ready I hope you are not listening to loudmouth Jamaicans on caribbeancricket.com who have never seen him bat going on about the short ball?

All very valid points, though coming in to the tour I would have thought that Dev Smith would have done better, he's not that bad against the new ball, and i still think there could be a chance of him getting runs on this tour.

Please caribbeancricket has recieved enough lambasting over the short time I have been here and although much of it is deserved I am beginning to get weary of it.

 

[gvenkat]

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[Richard]

Personally from what i saw of Pascal & Baker in the standford t20. Pascal has real pace & talent, Baker is the wild selection for me.

However good Pascal (or anyone) may be one day doesn't alter in the slightest how good or bad (in this case bad) his selection is at the current time.

 

[Richard]

I wouldn't have minded Barath on the tour, but definitely not to play any internationals.

And as we know, that's a very dangerous game to be playing, because from time to time someone taken on tour with the intention purely of gaining experience and playing tour-games ends-up pitched into the Test team due to unforeseen circumstances.

I certainly hope Barath gets to spend a bit of time around the WI set-up (if he's taking the examples of the responsible types rather than the irresponsible ones, obviously, and being set a good example rather than a bad one), ideally for a lengthy period, before he gets on the park, but you've always got to be careful about how you manage that, because if you do it carelessly it can result in a Tait-2005\Hauritz-2004/05-esque scenario (there are many more examples BTW, those are just a couple of recent ones).

 

[TT Boy]

Wright, Mahmood and Plunkett are very poor selections but they should still be too strong for this Windies outfit.

Awight.

 

[Uppercut]

It annoys me how when you predict a West Indian drubbing it comes good but when i do it i end up looking like a bell-end.

 

[TT Boy]

It annoys me how when you predict a West Indian drubbing it comes good but when i do it i end up looking like a bell-end.

I said England would win comfortably in the Windies.

 

[Manee]

Awight.

Silence!

 

[shivfan]

Regarding the current match, there can't really be any excuses for this performance. In the last match it was a very weak batting and bowling lineup. In this one, it's a Gayle short of a full strength batting lineup and they're struggling against one of England's third string bowlers. Not to say that Woakes isn't talented, because I've never seen him, but he is technically third string.

I would have much preferred too for Dale Richards and Andrew Richardson to play this game, ahead of Chanders and Pascal. The former being proven Test class, in English conditions, and the latter being rubbish (at this stage).

Yeah, the WI team selection for the Lions game was rubbish, IMHO....

I would've liked to see both Deonarine and Richards batting, to put pressure on Smith, who's place is far from certain. I would also have like to see both Baker and Richardson playing. Instead, Dyson chose to 'rest' them....

I also think Barath could've benefitted from playing against Essex and Leics, but I also agree he's not yet ready for internationals. We pushed Xavier Marshall into the WI team too early, and look what's happened to him.

 

[TT Boy]

lol@you thinking eng is better than WI. so funny. only a few days ... I can't wait.

Me too.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Personally from what i saw of Pascal & Baker in the standford t20. Pascal has real pace & talent, Baker is the wild selection for me.

Pascal has pace. No control and therefore no menace. Baker has more control, but virtually no penetration. Both of them are poor selections, but Pascal's particularly so, given that Rampaul was in the form of his life and missed out.

And as we know, that's a very dangerous game to be playing, because from time to time someone taken on tour with the intention purely of gaining experience and playing tour-games ends-up pitched into the Test team due to unforeseen circumstances.

True, but the ideal situation would be to have Barath in the squad for a few tours, a la Lara.

I meant his overall FC average, not his yearly performances.

Overall stats are often misleading. For instance it confirms in your mind that Barath has outperformed Smith, which is simply not true.

Smith earned the right to play at test level and messed up even more comprehensively than Daren Ganga (and that is quite an achievement).

Injury prevented Smith from getting a proper run when he was at his most confident. Unfortunate. There's no justification in potentially ruining a talented young batsman purely to get Smith out of the team. There's more argument for leaving both Smith and Barath home, than to include Barath at this stage.

He may not be better than Smith but he has earned the right to be tested out at the highest level. When you say he is not ready I hope you are not listening to loudmouth Jamaicans on caribbeancricket.com who have never seen him bat going on about the short ball?

Two things...

1. I am Trinidadian and so I virtually never get persuaded by Jamaicans, let alone loudmouth ones.
2. I virtually never even read CaribbeanCricket.com, because there is virtually no intellectual discussion. Only mudslinging that makes me ashamed to be West Indian.

 

[shivfan]

I enjoy caribbeancricket.com, even the loudmouth posters....

And let me say that no island or territory has a monopoly on loudmouthed posters!

Now, what will the team be for the Lords Test? Let me try....

1) Gayle
2) Simmons
3) Sarwan
4) Nash (why not?)
5) Chanderpaul
6) Bernard (who else?)
7) Ramdin
8) Taylor
9) Benn
10) Edwards
11) Baker or Richardson

 

[Prince EWS]

Bernard should not be in the team. It's a disgrace that he's even on tour. And yes, I'm fully aware that he had a not-awful game in the tour match - means nothing to me.

 

[roseboy64]

I enjoy caribbeancricket.com, even the loudmouth posters....

And let me say that no island or territory has a monopoly on loudmouthed posters!

Now, what will the team be for the Lords Test? Let me try....

1) Gayle
2) Simmons
3) Sarwan
4) Nash (why not?)
5) Chanderpaul
6) Bernard (who else?)
7) Ramdin
8) Taylor
9) Benn
10) Edwards
11) Baker or Richardson

Thinking this may be the team.

 

[aussie]

Pascal has pace. No control and therefore no menace. Baker has more control, but virtually no penetration. Both of them are poor selections, but Pascal's particularly so, given that Rampaul was in the form of his life and missed out.

Yea no doubt Rampaul should have been picked. But Pascal should have been picked in NZ instead of Pascal, atl least has a bit of a "mild potential X-factor" than could probaly porper him to success @ international level. Instead of Baker who is just awful.

 

[roseboy64]

Baker's far from awful.

 

[King Pietersen]

Test average of 50, FC average in a weak competition of 34 and a List A average of 38. First class Economy rate of 3.72 as well. He may not be 'awful' but he's certainly not good. You know if your Domestic figures are majorly outdone by Saj Mahmood you've got problems.

 

[superkingdave]

Wow, never realised how little cricket Baker has player...18 first class games including 2 tests and 18 List A including 9 ODI's. Barath has played more domestic cricket than him.

 

[sammy2]

Pascal has pace. No control and therefore no menace. Baker has more control, but virtually no penetration. Both of them are poor selections, but Pascal's particularly so, given that Rampaul was in the form of his life and missed out.

True, but the ideal situation would be to have Barath in the squad for a few tours, a la Lara.

Overall stats are often misleading. For instance it confirms in your mind that Barath has outperformed Smith, which is simply not true.

Injury prevented Smith from getting a proper run when he was at his most confident. Unfortunate. There's no justification in potentially ruining a talented young batsman purely to get Smith out of the team. There's more argument for leaving both Smith and Barath home, than to include Barath at this stage.

Two things...

1. I am Trinidadian and so I virtually never get persuaded by Jamaicans, let alone loudmouth ones.
2. I virtually never even read CaribbeanCricket.com, because there is virtually no intellectual discussion. Only mudslinging that makes me ashamed to be West Indian.

You are badminded trini, prolly angry ganga isn't captain anymore. Chris gayle to the world, I know it hurts you. I always thought you weren't west indian, that explains it all. Another trini who doesn't support or believe the WI can do good. Im so happy helegance aka samuels ran out lara in his final game.