Johnson V Flintoff

[Cricket_God]

They already have you idiot and will continue to do so this summer. Do you actually watch non-India matches? If by large you mean obese then I'm not surprised, by the sounds of it you've never played a days cricket (or sport full stop) in your life.

That over to Kallis was a bit of a joke, they hadn't fixed the sight screen, it was too short and Kallis couldn't see the ball coming out of his hand. Flintoff knew this. Kaliis mentioned it after the days play but they said they weren't going to fix it mid match and players should just put up with it for now, oh those glorious English grounds...

Fool,grow up go face a crikcet ball then come back and write your crap.

 

[oitoitoi]

Fool,grow up go face a crikcet ball then come back and write your crap.

Lol you couldn't even come up with a coherent repsonse, you don't even have an argument anymore, I play club cricket for one of the best sides in the country, you're clearly just an armchair jockey.

 

[pasag]

Stop, now.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Fool,grow up go face a crikcet ball then come back and write your crap.

Are you this guy?

 

[Cricket_God]

Lol you couldn't even come up with a coherent repsonse, you don't even have an argument anymore, I play club cricket for one of the best sides in the country, you're clearly just an armchair jockey.

Good joke,It is hard to believe a guy who is so stats minded and writes crap being anything than a kid .

 

[Cricket_God]

Are you this guy?

You need to change your hair style mate.

 

[Jono]

He's calling you Mr T

 

[Burgey]

You need to change your hair style mate.

Wooooooooossssssssshhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

 

[pasag]

Good joke,It is hard to believe a guy who is so stats minded and writes crap being anything than a kid .

Final warning, next one who continues this gets banned.

 

[Cricket_God]

They already have you idiot and will continue to do so this summer. Do you actually watch non-India matches? If by large you mean obese then I'm not surprised, by the sounds of it you've never played a days cricket (or sport full stop) in your life.

That over to Kallis was a bit of a joke, they hadn't fixed the sight screen, it was too short and Kallis couldn't see the ball coming out of his hand. Flintoff knew this. Kaliis mentioned it after the days play but they said they weren't going to fix it mid match and players should just put up with it for now, oh those glorious English grounds...

In the test series in england flintoff was better than steyn and johnson and flintoff have not yet played in a test series,So We will see in a month who is the better bowler.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Bingo!

 

[Lillian Thomson]

The way things are looking at the moment those who voted for Andrew Macdonald could be on a winner.

 

[Cricket_God]

The way things are looking at the moment those who voted for Andrew Macdonald could be on a winner.

A few months back when johnson was a hit in southafrica and most people in the forums were saying he has learnt to swing the ball and Then i had said most bowlers are able to
do something with the ball in southafrica as the pitches are helpful even johnson with his horrible seam position which is the worst in international cricket was able to get some movement off the pitch not in the air.Now if you read some previous comments made in this topic wonder who is laughing.

 

[GIMH]

Flintoff outbowling Johnson in this series regardless of what the wicket tally says. The poll result obviously right though, given Fred's retirement.

 

[Uppercut]

Flintoff outbowling Johnson in this series regardless of what the wicket tally says. The poll result obviously right though, given Fred's retirement.

Can't argue with that given the crap Johnson's been bowling, but Fred's been bowling far too short. His effort, pace, movement and accuracy aren't translating into wickets but luck has little to do with it.

 

[slowfinger]

Can't argue with that given the crap Johnson's been bowling, but Fred's been bowling far too short. His effort, pace, movement and accuracy aren't translating into wickets but luck has little to do with it.

You can't be saying Flintoff has been bowling badly??

 

[GIMH]

Can't argue with that given the crap Johnson's been bowling, but Fred's been bowling far too short. His effort, pace, movement and accuracy aren't translating into wickets but luck has little to do with it.

Yeah, should have been bowling full much more

 

[Cricket_God]

Who said Flintoff isn't quick? You over-rate Flintoff's raw pace whilst under-rating Johnson's when the objective measures (i.e. speedgun readings) say different, that's the point. They're both really fast and if the ball is landing in their half more than the batsmen's, of course they're going to be tough to face. Batsmen say that sort of thing about bowlers all the time, it really proves little other than Flintoff is really fast. Which we knew already.

The other bone of contention is how good he is and, again, despite being economical and tough to get away, 2 5-fers, a best of 5/58 and an average in the low 30's in 75 Tests would suggest a fairly average Test bowler. Dale Steyn alone has 11 5fers in less than half the number of Tests with an average almost 10 runs lower and almost half the strike-rate and you claim Flintoff is more talented? You're kidding yourself. Johnson's record is already headed in a better direction than Flintoff's too with 2 5-fers and a better average/strike-rate. Sure the second half of Flintoff's career has gone better than the first but he's still in and around averaging 30 - not exactly world-class bowling.

Quick?

 

[Cricket_God]

I'm sorry but you're talking ****, Flintoff has never and will never be clocked at 155, he bowls 90mph at best, usually he's coming back from injury so he doesn't hit that very often in a spell. Johnson is consistently in the early 90's. Johnson's batting has improved a lot since the India tour. Why don't you understand that short of a length bowling does not take wickets in test matches? Do you play cricket? The only way you're going to get out to that kind of bowling is if you try to force it away, otherwise you can pretty much defend and leave all day. That's why he's so much more effective in one day cricket. Reverse swing, spin, yeah Flintoff's put in some great performances against those in conditions that suit them......Johnson's never going to bat in the top 6 and he probably couldn't, Flintoff never should've either, it's just that the selectors seriously overrate his ability.

As a bowler please justify this belief that Flintoff is more 'talented' than Steyn. Does Flintoff have the best away swinger in the game? No. Can he hit 95mph? No. Has Flintoff decimated the best batting line ups in the world in their own backyards well before his 26th birthday (or after)? No. Is his stubborness to change his action going to keep getting him injured despite Allan Donald telling him how to correct it? Yes.

Of course batsmen have just looked to play him safely, when the rest of the England attack is that **** you'd be stupid not to. However they've succeeded in playing him safely, don't you think South Africa have tried to just play Johnson safely? Or Australia (and many others) to just play Steyn safely? Top quality bowlers force you to defend them and then get you out anyway, Flintoff does not.

Seriously where are you getting all this, 'if you ask batsmen' rubbish, have you asked any batsmen? A couple of good short pitched spells doesn't make you the best bowler in the world. If that was true Fidel Edwards would be in the top 5.

Like I said your argument is based on bull**** data, a chronic lack of understanding of the mechanics of the game and the belief that if a player's style is more attractive that makes him better. Let me reiterate that it's like saying Mark Ramprakash is a better batsmen than Shiv Chanderpaul because he looks better.

where are you ?

 

[Richard]

Probably doing as the moderators of the forum have told him:

Final warning, next one who continues this gets banned.