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***Official NBA Thread***

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
"LeBron has to strip Kobe of the MVP trophy, and he has not done that yet."
Didn't notice this bit the first time, but I can't agree with it. Don't see why last years MVP race should have anything to do with this years? (Which is how Interpret that comment) Shouldn't it be (and hasn't it always been?) about who is the most valuable player THIS season, no matter what happened last time around?

Good to see the Cavs notch up a 58th win, and franchise record today :)
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Didn't notice this bit the first time, but I can't agree with it. Don't see why last years MVP race should have anything to do with this years? (Which is how Interpret that comment) Shouldn't it be (and hasn't it always been?) about who is the most valuable player THIS season, no matter what happened last time around?

Good to see the Cavs notch up a 58th win, and franchise record today :)
don't worry, lebron is a lock for mvp...:)
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Being the true league MVP has nothing to do with winning the trophy which is what the writer was alluding to. Dirk and Nash weren't the best players in the League when they won theirs and it was shown up in the playoffs.

I think the scout's intention was to say until Lebron goes mano e mano with Kobe in the playoffs and wins he can't claim to be the King yet. Which I definitely agree with, the regular season MVP isn't the real prize which these two guys will be judged by when it's all said and done.

EDIT: Heh, Jazz on the road against a semi decent team = automatic L. This game and the Miami game were two of the funniest chokes I've ever seen. Hill and Barnes were ice down the stretch though. The Suns glory days are over but they are still so much fun to watch. Great franchise, hope they bounce back.
 
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nightprowler10

Global Moderator
Loving how the Bulls are playing these days. So much energy. The Salmons trade is turning out to be great so far. They still need to learn how to finish, like they couldn't against the Lakers, but they've come pretty far this season.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I liked the Bulls trade at the time because Salmons was a nice swingman who could get big points and Miller was an experienced big who even though he's washed up would be a good influence on their other two young bigs.

Interesting to see what they do when Deng is back from injury. Him, Salmons,Gordon might have to fight it out for minutes unless Deng plays minutes as a PF.
 

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
It really would be a pickle for del Negro. Gordon, Salmons, and Thomas have been playing very well lately. If Deng comes back (which isn't likely for the next three weeks) it could mean less minutes for Thomas as both guards mentioned above have been red hot. No way should he come anywhere close to the starting lineup though, as little as I care about Noah, him, Thomas, Salmons, Gordon and Rose/Hinrich have been gelling pretty good lately.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Interesting little snippet from DraftExpress regarding the Paddy Mills vs Steph Curry showdown.

20 NBA teams were on hand last night for an extremely intriguing NIT matchup between Stephen Curry’s Davidson Wildcats and Patrick Mills’ St. Mary’s Gaels. Curry finished with 27 points, 9 rebounds and 5 assists, but also committed 6 turnovers and shot just 11-27 from the field. Mills also had an off night shooting the ball, making just 1-10 3-pointers, but he still managed to finish with 23 points as well a sparkling 10 assists compared with just 1 turnover. Most importantly, St. Mary’s came away with the victory at home, and now moves on to play at San Diego State (Wednesday, 9 PM EST, ESPN2) with a trip to Madison Square Garden on the line.

Curry started the game off extremely well, making a terrific move to the basket that really highlighted his quickness and ability to change speeds with the ball. He also pulled up and knocked down an absolutely ridiculous shot from about 26-feet out, but then began to struggle after that. St. Mary’s did a very nice job throwing multiple defenders at him, particularly the very pesky Wayne Hunter and the very agile Diamon Simpson, who did a great job hedging on the perimeter and denying Curry open looks. Curry was able to free himself up on a few occasions for pretty decent looks by his standards, but unfortunately missed a couple of shots that he normally would make. He struggled in particular around the basket, not getting much lift around the rim, being forced to throw the ball up high off the glass, and failing to get to the free throw line even once. Although much of this game centered around Curry taking on St. Mary’s entire defense, he did make some excellent passes to teammates showcasing his very nice court vision, but only saw a few of them converted. As is the tendency when watching Davidson play, you often got the feeling that Curry was trying or forced (depending on your perspective) to do a little too much.

After the game Curry had the following to share about his chances of entering this year's draft: “I haven’t thought about that. I tried to put it off until our season was over. I’ll talk to all of the people who are involved and see what happens. I don’t have a time limit or anything like that, but my heart’s still at Davidson."[/url]

This was a strong showing for Patrick Mills, particularly the fact that he was able to show better distributing skills than we’d seem from him all season. Mills does not play the point for St. Mary’s full time, and is averaging just under 4 assists per game compared with nearly 3 turnovers. Mills did a good job of driving and dishing as well as finding the open man rolling to the basket on pick and roll plays. His speed and ability to create his own shot is clearly one of his strongest selling points as a prospect, although his shot-selection left quite a bit to be desired in this contest. Mills made some excellent pull-up mid-range jumpers, the main source of his points last night, but was extremely cold from beyond the arc (1-10 3FG). His shot-selection looked exceptionally poor, as he showed absolutely no conscious heaving up tough contested pull-ups very early in the shot-clock, especially when you consider that he’s just shooting 34% from beyond the arc (41% total) on the season. Considering his size, he’s going to have to do a much better job playing at different speeds and getting to the free throw line if he’s to stick in the NBA. Defensively, he did not stand out either. A trip to Madison Square Garden and a good showing once there could really benefit his stock, as most scouts we talked to have him rated in the late first or early second round depending on who is in the draft.


Nice little summary of what Mills has been about this season. His real gift is how easily he can beat you off the dribble and get into the paint at will. We saw Goorjian utilise him perfectly at the Olympics in this role and seeing Kidd, Deron Williams and Paul all slow stepping against him was so ridiculously awesome to watch.

This season though every time I've seen Paddy play he mixes the sublime with the "wtf why?." Takes too many jumpers over players far bigger than him but I believe the pressure of being the only reliable scorer and superstar on a team of proper scrubs is also contributing to this. Encouragingly he is ridiculously similar to what the young Tony Parker was like and I can still remember all the times Pop would sit Parker down entire 4th quarters whenever he was in chuck mode which forced him to become a smarter player to get his minutes.

Hopefully something like this can happen with Mills because in the right situation with the right coach he could really become something. Sort of unlucky that there are so many good PG's in this draft class and guys like Rubio(if he declares) and Brandon Jennings are undoubtedly better than him.

However out of the next tier (Jeff Teague, Stephen Curry,Eric Maynor,Jonny Flynn) I think Paddy on his day is the most spectacular but he's probably also the most erratic in his play too. If the scouts are right and he goes late first then he'll be a steal IMO because he is exactly the type of project player that could develop huge when he's playing with and against better players like he did at the Olympics. Would love to see him at a Dallas, GSW, Philly or Phoenix where he can be at his explosive best night in and night out but I guess whatever team drafts him is my new team tbh.

Not really current NBA and a tad long but I thought it might interest some people :)
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
Paul turned it on the the 2nd half today. Ripper of a half and the Hornets did well to get up.

Spurs missing everything from beyond the 3 point line didn't help their cause, though.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Didn't watch it but he always minces Tony Parker.

Spurs are sometimes too rigid in their defensive philosophy. They believe too much in going 1 on 1 and making people accountable for being beaten individually. Sometimes a guy flat out has it over you and they need to change up and try something different because Parker can't guard him and guys like Ginobli, Bowen etc aren't quick enough to stay in front of him.

Denver played him brilliantly the other day, they went for a 2 on 1 trap as soon as he got over half court and it forced the ball out of his hands way more than the Hornets are used too and they restricted him to 11 shots and forced 6 turnovers from him.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
Didn't watch it but he always minces Tony Parker.

Spurs are sometimes too rigid in their defensive philosophy. They believe too much in going 1 on 1 and making people accountable for being beaten individually. Sometimes a guy flat out has it over you and they need to change up and try something different because Parker can't guard him and guys like Ginobli, Bowen etc aren't quick enough to stay in front of him.
They actually doubled him quite a bit, often with Duncan and Gooden out trying to put a lot of pressure on him. Parker had him for points and assists at half time as well, and they'd worked him over for the most part.

Just caught fire in the second half.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
What court position did they start doing it though? And when you say double do you mean 1 on 1 with a help defender coming down when he was in range, or just straight up getting 2 people in his face as soon as he got the ball?
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
Early on it was very aggressive and it kept him out of the game, later on he was actually finding the free man so they just pushed out a screener/whatever they call it (I obviously haven't had much basketball involvement in years) so they didn't always get caught out. Allowed him to get more shots though.

In any case, Spurs would've won if they shot better from beyond and at the line.
 

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
Made a few trades in my second season in NBA 2K9 and not only saved some money but strengthened my bench quite a bit.

D Rose (starter)
K Hinrich (starter)
MU Amir (:D) (starter)
L Deng (starter)
D Gooden (starter)
Nene (6th man)
J Salmons (6th man)
T Thomas (Role player)
A Gray (Role player)

And a bunch of rookies and bench warmers. Been on a tear ever since and have every player happy thanks partially to duffer's advice. Had to make Salmons and Nene both 6th men as I could afford to with some loyal starters and because that's the only way I could keep those two happy.

Loving this game.

EDIT: Of course Deng breaks a finger next game.
 
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Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Found this to be an interesting read. No doubt you've read it as well duffer?

NBA.com: Best move for unhappy AI may be reunion with old adversary
isn't he just the perfect team man? what team wouldn't love to have the guy? damn, he is a selfish, arrogant prick who has unfortunately become too ineffective to be a big-impact player on any good team but is clearly still living in denial, and he alone is not going to make the bobcats a contender, brown or no brown, jordan or no jordan...
 

Jamee999

Hall of Fame Member
Anyone else watching the Final Four? Looks like it's gonna be Michigan State vs North Carolina.
 

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