Player's Averages - What will they end with?

[The Sean]

Would get my vote for a skull.

Is it just me or has the week after the awards were suspended been one particularly rich in potential award threads/comments/one-liners?

 

[pup11]

Nobody had ever imagined 6 years ago that Ponting would average 56, but today Ponting is the best batsman in the world in both forms of the game.
Clarke has the rare ability to play spin like sub-continental batsman which would hold him in stead in years to come, and since the Ashes 06 there is a certain maturity to his batting which was also pretty evident during the WC.

 

[pup11]

What would be Michael Hussey's average at the end of his test career, i guess it could be around the region of 57-60.
He might play test cricket for another 5 or 6 years and i think he is a good enough player to maintain his average around that mark.

 

[PhoenixFire]

What would be Michael Hussey's average at the end of his test career, i guess it could be around the region of 57-60.
He might play test cricket for another 5 or 6 years and i think he is a good enough player to maintain his average around that mark.

Yeah well he certainly is good enough, but whether he will end up with an average that is <60, I really doubt that for some reason. As like Strauss, people were tending to get carried away with how good they were etc, and I have a feeling that Hussey will average <50 in the end.

 

[R_D]

What would be Michael Hussey's average at the end of his test career, i guess it could be around the region of 57-60.
He might play test cricket for another 5 or 6 years and i think he is a good enough player to maintain his average around that mark.

Probaly around their.... Hussey doesn't seem too comfortable against spin so might have trouble against Murali and consquent visits to sub-cont might drag his average down a bit.

 

[Richard]

Would get my vote for a skull.

Is it just me or has the week after the awards were suspended been one particularly rich in potential award threads/comments/one-liners?

That post was crying-out for a pun on my name TBH.

(I thought exactly that BTW )

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Yeah well he certainly is good enough, but whether he will end up with an average that is <60, I really doubt that for some reason. As like Strauss, people were tending to get carried away with how good they were etc, and I have a feeling that Hussey will average <50 in the end.

Strauss and Hussey are totally incomparable IMO. To begin with, Hussey has been dominating domestic cricket (albeit mainly in England) for quite a while, and his immediate international success was in both forms of the game. Then there's the fact that Hussey's start was simply better in terms of raw average and runs.

Hussey might end up tanking badly, but there's a lot more reason to imagine he'll end up with a average well above 50 than there ever was for someone like Strauss. A better comparison for Hussey would be Pietersen IMO, in every sense but the likely lengths of their respective careers.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Bumpity bump.

Batsmen:
Adam Gilchrist (Current Average: 49.81) - 47.60 - down 2.21 - retired
Ricky Ponting (Current Average: 56.27) - 56.20 - down 0.07
Sachin Tendulkar (Current Average: 56.72) - 54.73 - down 1.99
Virender Sehwag (Current Average: 53.55) - 50.81 - down 2.74
Michael Vaughan (Current Average: 42.94) - 41.44 - down 1.50
Marcus Trescothick (Current Average: 45.47) - 43.81 - down 1.68 - essentially retired
Inzamam Ul Haq (Current Average: 51.61) - 49.60 - down 2.01 - retired
Shahid Afridi (Current Average: 35.83) - 37.40 - up 1.57
Graeme Smith (Current Average: 52.72) - 50.23 - down 2.49
Jaques Kallis (Current Average: 56.45) - 54.64 - down 1.81
Stephen Fleming (Current Average: 39.03) - 40.06 - up 1.03 - retired
Jacob Oram (Current Average: 43.57) - 37.04 - down 6.53
Kumar Sangakkara (Current Average: 46.61) - 54.94 - up 8.33
Mahela Jayawardene (Current Average: 47.80) - 53.23 - up 5.43
Chris Gayle (Current Average: 38.79) - 40.00 - up 1.21
Shivnarine Chanderpaul (Current Average: 45.94) - 50.01 - up 4.07

Bowlers:
Brett Lee (Current Average: 31.85) - 30.81 - down 1.04
Stuart MacGill (Current Average: 27.82) - 29.02 - up 1.20 - retired
Irfan Pathan (Current Average: 26.14) - 32.28 - up 6.14
Harbhajan Singh (Current Average: 27.88) - 30.58 - up 2.70
Andrew Flintoff (Current Average: 31.52) - 32.07 - up 0.55
Stephen Harmison (Current Average: 28.72) - 31.78 - up 3.06
Shoaib Akhtar (Current Average: 24.76) - 25.69 - up 0.93
Danish Kaneria (Current Average: 30.56) - 34.87 - up 4.33
Makhaya Ntini (Current Average: 29.22) - 28.37 - down 0.85
Shaun Pollock (Current Average: 22.40) - 23.11 - up 0.71 - retired
Shane Bond (Current Average: 20.80) - 22.39 - up 1.59 - ICL
Daniel Vettori (Current Average: 34.84) - 33.17 - down 1.67
Murali (Current Average: 22.40) - 22.18 - down 0.22
Chaminda Vaas (Current Average: 28.73) - 29.40 - up 0.67
Dwayne Bravo (Current Average: 33.11) - 39.58 - up 6.47
Corey Collymore (Current Average: 31.37) - 32.30 - up 0.93 - Kolpak

Some big changes.

 

[Shri]

Kumar Sangakkara has been a class act. Read that he averages around 80 as a batsman after he gave up keeping.

 

[Jono]

Bumpity bump.

Batsmen:
Adam Gilchrist (Current Average: 49.81) - 47.60 - down 2.21 - retired
Ricky Ponting (Current Average: 56.27) - 56.20 - down 0.07
Sachin Tendulkar (Current Average: 56.72) - 54.73 - down 1.99
Virender Sehwag (Current Average: 53.55) - 50.81 - down 2.74
Michael Vaughan (Current Average: 42.94) - 41.44 - down 1.50
Marcus Trescothick (Current Average: 45.47) - 43.81 - down 1.68 - essentially retired
Inzamam Ul Haq (Current Average: 51.61) - 49.60 - down 2.01 - retired
Shahid Afridi (Current Average: 35.83) - 37.40 - up 1.57
Graeme Smith (Current Average: 52.72) - 50.23 - down 2.49
Jaques Kallis (Current Average: 56.45) - 54.64 - down 1.81
Stephen Fleming (Current Average: 39.03) - 40.06 - up 1.03 - retired
Jacob Oram (Current Average: 43.57) - 37.04 - down 6.53
Kumar Sangakkara (Current Average: 46.61) - 54.94 - up 8.33
Mahela Jayawardene (Current Average: 47.80) - 53.23 - up 5.43
Chris Gayle (Current Average: 38.79) - 40.00 - up 1.21
Shivnarine Chanderpaul (Current Average: 45.94) - 50.01 - up 4.07

Bowlers:
Brett Lee (Current Average: 31.85) - 30.81 - down 1.04
Stuart MacGill (Current Average: 27.82) - 29.02 - up 1.20 - retired
Irfan Pathan (Current Average: 26.14) - 32.28 - up 6.14
Harbhajan Singh (Current Average: 27.88) - 30.58 - up 2.70
Andrew Flintoff (Current Average: 31.52) - 32.07 - up 0.55
Stephen Harmison (Current Average: 28.72) - 31.78 - up 3.06
Shoaib Akhtar (Current Average: 24.76) - 25.69 - up 0.93
Danish Kaneria (Current Average: 30.56) - 34.87 - up 4.33
Makhaya Ntini (Current Average: 29.22) - 28.37 - down 0.85
Shaun Pollock (Current Average: 22.40) - 23.11 - up 0.71 - retired
Shane Bond (Current Average: 20.80) - 22.39 - up 1.59 - ICL
Daniel Vettori (Current Average: 34.84) - 33.17 - down 1.67
Murali (Current Average: 22.40) - 22.18 - down 0.22
Chaminda Vaas (Current Average: 28.73) - 29.40 - up 0.67
Dwayne Bravo (Current Average: 33.11) - 39.58 - up 6.47
Corey Collymore (Current Average: 31.37) - 32.30 - up 0.93 - Kolpak

Some big changes.

Some interesting points:

- Sehwag's average has dropped since then, yet I reckon most people rate him as a better batsman now than when I first started this thread in 2006.
- Graeme Smith is similar to Sehwag. Average down from 2006, yet probably rated higher than he was then.
- Jacob Oram... oh oh
- Sanga obviously awesome
- Jayawardene some significant improvement, and probably been overshadowed by Sanga
- Shiv, obvious gun. Surprised his average didn't climb even more.

- Irfan and Kaneria... poo
- Bravo, hurt by injuries I imagine.

 

[SJS]

Kumar Sangakkara has been a class act. Read that he averages around 80 as a batsman after he gave up keeping.

Thats true actually - 79.3. Its just 32 of his 80 Tests but its an amazing stat. Playing as a keeper he averages just about half of that 40.5 !!

 

[King Pietersen]

Kevin Pietersen will end his career averaging between 56 and 60. He averages 51 at the minute, and he's getting better and better every time I see him bat. Going to end his career as the best of his generation.

 

[oitoitoi]

Kevin Pietersen will end his career averaging between 56 and 60. He averages 51 at the minute, and he's getting better and better every time I see him bat. Going to end his career as the best of his generation.

I'm afraid that's just incorrect. Unless of course England start playing even more tests against crap teams. Even then I doubt it, his technique is very reliant on his reflexes (so he can generate that bat speed and play the ball late) and having a really good eye. As any batsmen will tell you these are the first 2 things to go which will make him very vulnerable to the effects of age. I mean look how King Viv tailed off towards the end of his career. Also once he gets a hundred in South Africa I think he may have some issues with motivation. Also if you count Sangakkarra as being in the same generation, there simply isn't any contest, he's ridiculously good, his 194 at Hobart was right up there with the best I've ever seen, Pietersen hasn't an innings that can touch that for class and quality of batting.

 

[JimmyGS]

Pietersen hasn't an innings that can touch that for class and quality of batting.

His 150 to win the ashes was pretty damn good IIRC.

 

[Zinzan]

I'm afraid that's just incorrect. Unless of course England start playing even more tests against crap teams. Even then I doubt it, his technique is very reliant on his reflexes (so he can generate that bat speed and play the ball late) and having a really good eye. As any batsmen will tell you these are the first 2 things to go which will make him very vulnerable to the effects of age. I mean look how King Viv tailed off towards the end of his career. Also once he gets a hundred in South Africa I think he may have some issues with motivation. Also if you count Sangakkarra as being in the same generation, there simply isn't any contest, he's ridiculously good, his 194 at Hobart was right up there with the best I've ever seen, Pietersen hasn't an innings that can touch that for class and quality of batting.

Excellent post this. Agree entirely

 

[thierry henry]

lol at Jono predicting Vettori will average 28-29. The day Vettori averages less than 30 in any form of cricket after the age of 18 is the day hell freezes over. He'll retire and be taking 1/70 off 40 overs in golden oldies social grade cricket.

 

[GIMH]

I'm afraid that's just incorrect. Unless of course England start playing even more tests against crap teams. Even then I doubt it, his technique is very reliant on his reflexes (so he can generate that bat speed and play the ball late) and having a really good eye. As any batsmen will tell you these are the first 2 things to go which will make him very vulnerable to the effects of age. I mean look how King Viv tailed off towards the end of his career. Also once he gets a hundred in South Africa I think he may have some issues with motivation. Also if you count Sangakkarra as being in the same generation, there simply isn't any contest, he's ridiculously good, his 194 at Hobart was right up there with the best I've ever seen, Pietersen hasn't an innings that can touch that for class and quality of batting.

Predictions aren't incorrect until they are proven as so...

KP is an interesting one, for quite some time now has average has remained constant because he is incredibly consistent. He doesn't tend to have purple patches that lift his average up and nor does he have extended periods of failure which cause it to drop. This is actually one of the things I rate about him most.

In Tests anyway. In ODIs he always seems to be in poor form bar one mega innings per series.

 

[GIMH]

The thing is though - that it's a lot easier to measure how good a spell was by just looking at 7-12....whereas McGrath at Lords put every ball on the dot and took 5 for which doesn't look as impressive...Flintoff didn't get close to getting figures like 7-12 but he still bowled as well as that.
It's the same as looking at batting averages and seeing who's best because of them - it's only an indicator but doesn't tell the whole story
(this isn't a go at you it's just me making a point about it)

Wow, a serious Mitchell post in a cricket thread, you can tell this is an old thread hey

 

[iamdavid]

His 150 to win the ashes was pretty damn good IIRC.

lol pretty damn lucky more like it

 

[Uppercut]

lol pretty damn lucky more like it

Both, itbt.