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SehwagVsGilchrist

SehwagVsGilchrist


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G.I.Joe

International Coach
Love how Australian pitches are suddenly minefields to bat on.

This place is amazing sometimes
Yeah, it is. Spinners are expected to have better figures on the subcontinent because 'they bowl on minefields'. But that apparently shouldn't be a factor when it comes to inferior 3rd/4th innings averages for batsmen on the subcontinent.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, it is. Spinners are expected to have better figures on the subcontinent because 'they bowl on minefields'. But that apparently shouldn't be a factor when it comes to inferior 3rd/4th innings averages for batsmen on the subcontinent.
And yet Sehwag's 3rd/4th innings averages don't change against non-subcontinent teams - in fact, they're worse.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
And yet Sehwag's 3rd/4th innings averages don't change against non-subcontinent teams - in fact, they're worse.
You do realise that comes from a database of 18 or so innings? Which is approximately the same as the number of innings played by Ponting in India?
 

wfdu_ben91

International 12th Man
Love how Australian pitches are suddenly minefields to bat on.

This place is amazing sometimes
Another illiterate cricketing fan. Takes a post completely out of context in a poor attempt to make his opinion and presence on this forum seem meaningful and superior to everyone else. Well done, son.
 

Uppercut

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LOL, what's with you and Mishy?
He:

1) is ridiculously loveable.
2) is a leg-spinner.
3) is a player who i ranted for ages about why he should be in the India side (particularly ahead of Chawla and all the ****ty ODI spinners they've tried), then when he was finally picked he was awesome.
4) won me money on more than one occasion during the IPL.
5) is awesome.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
You do realise that comes from a database of 18 or so innings? Which is approximately the same as the number of innings played by Ponting in India?
Are you trying to say Ponting's record is an aberration or Sehwag's here?

The difference between the two is one only occurs in one country against one opponent. The other occurs in several countries against several opponents.

Also, let's not pretend it is only 18 innings - it's almost 40. It's not like Harris or Giles came to India to trouble Sehwag on turning 3rd/4th inning pitches. And Warne certainly wasn't successful, for whatever reason. And what about the WIndies? Do they have a Mendis we didn't hear about? Did Vettori clean up in India? Yeah...exactly.

Certainly at home these spinning pitches weren't troubling as they are also reknown as the best in their own conditions, especially. It's only in Sri Lanka and to a lesser extent Pakistan does this start being true.
 

Dasa

International Vice-Captain
**** me there are some deadset idiots on this site these days. Seems like every second post is some someone trying to belittle another player. Whatever happened to appreciating good players? I don't see the point in discussing cricket if all that involves is bringing down various cricketers. It's all so negative.
 
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andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Another illiterate cricketing fan. Takes a post completely out of context in a poor attempt to make his opinion and presence on this forum seem meaningful and superior to everyone else. Well done, son.
Haha, **** me you're a ****. Can't believe I just read through this all.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Are you trying to say Ponting's record is an aberration or Sehwag's here?

The difference between the two is one only occurs in one country against one opponent. The other occurs in several countries against several opponents.
I'm saying lets not try to pretend one is an aberration while the other is not. You're trying to create the impression averaging less in a particular country is an aberration while averaging less in 3rd/4th innings against several oppoennts isn't, which is, in your own words, intellectually dishonest. Thats an inconsistency. You either acknowledge both as meaningful or both as aberrations.

Also, let's not pretend it is only 18 innings - it's almost 40. It's not like Harris or Giles came to India to trouble Sehwag on turning 3rd/4th inning pitches. And Warne certainly wasn't successful, for whatever reason. And what about the WIndies? Do they have a Mendis we didn't hear about? Did Vettori clean up in India? Yeah...exactly.

Certainly at home these spinning pitches weren't troubling as they are also reknown as the best in their own conditions, especially. It's only in Sri Lanka and to a lesser extent Pakistan does this start being true.
Theres no pretense. You mentioned 3rd and 4th innings in non-subcontinental teams, which is closer to 18, not 40. I don't see how you can try and pretend you can draw valid interpretations from 24 innings' played by Sehwag in the 3rd and 4th innings in India, while dismissing Pontings 21 innings' in the same country over all innings (ie with the added advantage of batting in the 1st and 2nd).
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
I'm saying lets not try to pretend one is an aberration while the other is not. You're trying to create the impression averaging less in a particular country is an aberration while averaging less in 3rd/4th innings against several oppoennts isn't, which is, in your own words, intellectually dishonest. Thats an inconsistency. You either acknowledge both as meaningful or both as aberrations.
I don't consider either an aberration. They're both poor records that need closer looking at.

However, the scope of the problem is much more limited in one than the other. It's not an aberration for Sehwag in any sense. Whether Overall, against non-subcontinental teams away or at home, against sub-continental teams away or home...he still has a poor 3rd/4th innings average. Unlike Ponting where it's a singular problem in one country...for Sehwag it spans every team in every country for their 3rd and 4th innings.

What's intellectually dishonest is saying that Ponting has played 18 innings in Australia and the innings in that analysis for Sehwag is also 18 innings...not mentioning Ponting has played twice as much cricket as Sehwag.

Theres no pretense. You mentioned 3rd and 4th innings in non-subcontinental teams, which is closer to 18, not 40. I don't see how you can try and pretend you can draw valid interpretations from 24 innings' played by Sehwag in the 3rd and 4th innings in India, while dismissing Pontings 21 innings' in the same country over all innings (ie with the added advantage of batting in the 1st and 2nd).
Sehwag has played more than 18 or 24 innings. It's much more than that. Check his records. Whether at home or away; whether against spinners or not; whether it includes subcontinental pitches or not...he has a poor 3rd/4th innings record. You're just creating a qualification which will naturally have a much smaller number - only non-subcontinental teams (there are only 5) and only away. Well, in half those innings he played 1st/2nd innings and in the other half 3rd/4th innings, and he did very badly.

Your original point was that because they face spinners during the latter stages they're bound to have weaker 3rd/4th innings records. That point is moot because against the sides that I linked you to (those 40 innings) no notable spinner troubled India in any sense. It was more India's own home spinners troubling others - which Sehwag does not face.

It's not like I buy your argument that 18-24 isn't enough to gauge anything on either. That many is enough. It's just that the scope of this argument brings much more than that. And you know it.

Thats actually a worse compilation. It doesn't compensate for the strengths of the home bowling attacks. I think I mentioned that before.
What doesn't compensate? You can't separate the strength of an attack and the ease of the pitch. In many ways you wouldn't want to. It's a package of problems playing in different countries. But every country plays in each of those pitches so it's more or less evened out. Does India have worse bowlers than NZ? No, but look at their records. Did Pakistan? No, yet they're as bad as the WIndies.
 
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Precambrian

Banned
Another illiterate cricketing fan. Takes a post completely out of context in a poor attempt to make his opinion and presence on this forum seem meaningful and superior to everyone else. Well done, son.
Hey kid. go to Planet cricket and continue your stupid posting there. Oh well, weren't you banned forever from there?
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Another illiterate cricketing fan.
Lol. Jono is hardly an illeterate cricket fan. You got owned by SJS and Jono in this thread and yet continue your blabber of how Hayden is superior. It's too close to call who is superior as an opener according to me but your arguments supporting Hayden fringe on the shocking level.
 
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