Current NZL batting potential

[Athlai]

Sehwag slogged bucketloads TBF.

And the chips are down comment? Check his record against Australia and then check it against Bangladesh.

 

[Polo23]

Sehwag slogged bucketloads TBF.

And the chips are down comment? Check his record against Australia and then check it against Bangladesh.

I remember Taylor scoring a great hundred against Australia BEFORE he bought that stupid slog into his game, which should tell you something. The recent tour to Australia I don't think the chips were ever down.

Sehwag didn't slog at all. He hit full balls over cover/down the ground and short balls over midwicket and he used his feet to the spinners to hit down the ground. Not once did I see him try to hoik a full ball outside off over mid-wicket.

 

[Athlai]

I remember Taylor scoring a great hundred against Australia BEFORE he bought that stupid slog into his game, which should tell you something. The recent tour to Australia I don't think the chips were ever down.

Sehwag didn't slog at all. He hit full balls over cover/down the ground and short balls over midwicket and he used his feet to the spinners to hit down the ground. Not once did I see him try to hoik a full ball outside off over mid-wicket.

Talking about Test cricket.

And Sehwag hoicked and edged far more balls than you give him credit for.

 

[Polo23]

Talking about Test cricket.

And Sehwag hoicked and edged far more balls than you give him credit for.

Once he stamps the ridiculous wild slog over cow (especially to the spinners) out of his game he will improve his consistency ten fold. I'd say currently (at least in OD cricket) he gets out to that shot 50% of the time.

Where did I mention test cricket?

I don't recall Sehwag hoiking anything that was full and outside off over midwicket.

Why you are defending that shot anyway? You can't seriously tell me that the runs it nets him allied to how often it gets him out is worth it.

 

[Athlai]

Where did I mention test cricket?

I did, in terms of how he bats well under pressure. Since the next series is Tests...

I don't recall Sehwag hoiking anything that was full and outside off over midwicket.

Never mentioned him hoicking over mid-wicket but he most certainly slogged it.
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Why you are defending that shot anyway? You can't seriously tell me that the runs it nets him allied to how often it gets him out is worth it.[/QUOTE]

I'm not defending the shot I'm defending Ross Taylors temperament. We were put into impossible run chases which pressured him into hitting into areas that weren't quite on.

 

[Polo23]

And I don't think he EVER needs to hit into those areas...unless given the right ball, obviously. He still reverts back to that ugly slog when he's looking for a big hit, regardless of the ball. He should be looking to ALL areas of the ground, dependent on where the ball is bowled. Unless you think he isn't good enough to do this?

 

[Athlai]

I think thats the difference between him being well set and him having to hit from the word go.

When he is set I'd be furious at him getting out to a ball that wasn't there to be hit, but when we need 8-10 runs an over with 30 overs to go, he really doesn't have the time to get himself set at the crease and falls back to his comfort stroke.

I doubt any team besides India could put us in this position more than once every 2-3 series. It just so happened India put us in this scenario every bloody match barring one.

 

[Polo23]

It makes it even worse that he's reverting to that shot when not set, it's a stupid shot when he's in or not, regardless of how many we need. He still should have other scoring areas.

As I said before, the shot should be stamped out of his game. He's obviously developed it for T20, but it's definitely hampered him in ODI's and Test cricket (though, as you are keen to point out, he may have stopped playing it in tests).

 

[Bahnz]

It makes it even worse that he's reverting to that shot when not set, it's a stupid shot when he's in or not, regardless of how many we need. He still should have other scoring areas.

As I said before, the shot should be stamped out of his game. He's obviously developed it for T20, but it's definitely hampered him in ODI's and Test cricket (though, as you are keen to point out, he may have stopped playing it in tests).

Taylor hasn't developed that shot for anything. It's always been apart of his game. The truth is that as marvellous a batsman as Taylor is, he only has one speed (4-6 an over, depending on the circumstances). Force him to go faster or slower than what his natural style of play dictates, and he simply doesn't seem to have either the game or the temperament to deal with it. Hopefully he'll get that out of his game, but it's been 3 years now, and he's made only moderate progress.

 

[Polo23]

I may be wrong, but at the start of his ODI career I never remember him playing that shot.

 

[Zinzan]

I may be wrong, but at the start of his ODI career I never remember him playing that shot.

Bahnz's right, he's always played that leg-side slog shot. In Taylor's case I imagine it's largely due to his hockey background.

 

[_Ed_]

Bahnz's right, he's always played that leg-side slog shot.

Yeah. The first time I saw him was in a State Shield game at Pukekura Park, he belted a couple out of the ground with that shot.

 

[Nutter]

He's really good at it when the ball is there for that shot. But when it's not and he shuffles across to force it there, it gets ugly. Luckily I haven't seen him get out to that shot this series. Boy is a learning.

 

[Polo23]

He's really good at it when the ball is there for that shot. But when it's not and he shuffles across to force it there, it gets ugly. Luckily I haven't seen him get out to that shot this series. Boy is a learning.

Uhh...what?

He got out to it in the first ODI and the 4th ODI.

 

[Flem274*]

Haha, a thread for us to go all Ian Healy over our batting and we still manage to get furious at them.

 

[Xuhaib]

Forgot to mention Flynn in the OP another guy who looks the goods but I would say a rung below the 'potential' big 3.

 

[Howsie]

Also throw in Kane Williamson, he is going to be pretty special.

 

[Nutter]

He got out to it in the first ODI and the 4th ODI.

First ODI was some kind of sweep shot where he top edged (he clearly tried to play the ball down into the ground), 4th ODI was a rank bad ball he should've put away over square leg but mistimed the pull.

I don't think either shot was the Taylor trademark walk across then slog the offside ball and send it into mid wicket.

 

[_Ed_]

Haha, a thread for us to go all Ian Healy over our batting and we still manage to get furious at them.

It's the New Zealand way.

 

[thierry henry]

I may be wrong, but at the start of his ODI career I never remember him playing that shot.

It's always been his shot. Actually, in his first ODI century he twice hit Tillakaratne Dilshan for sixes over cow corner with that shot. I actually remember thinking, when Dilshan came on, that it was inevitable that a couple were going on to or over the McLean Park stands, and he duly obliged. He loves that shot against the spinners in particular.

tbh it's one of those shots where I only have a problem with it if he gets out, if you know what I mean. It's his go-to shot and all through his career it has been effective- it's started to go wrong in the last year or so but it's his best option if we really need quick runs.

It's silly to try to somehow contrast Taylor and Sehwag- that shot in to the scoreboard off Thompson the other day was just an obvious case of Sehwag predetermining that "if it's in my half, I'm hitting it for 6 over midwicket". tbh there's a lot of that in Sehwag's play. Same with Taylor, early in his career he was hitting those shots for 6 and now, because he didn't get out, you can't even remember him doing it!