Neil Pickup
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So why the **** would he do that, then?
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Neil Pickup
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That's not possible.
EDIT: Brain freeze. I was assuming Jamee was an idiot and expected the team following on to win by an innings. Now who looks stupid?
Prince EWS
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How isn't it?
Team A - 720/4 dec.
Team B - 123 all out
Team B (f/o) - 149 all out
Team A wins by an innings and 446 runs.
EDIT: Beaten by edit.
Neil Pickup
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Great stats - so only 16 teams has a team failed to win when enforcing the follow on.I'm pretty sure this is it. I could be wrong though.
EDIT: I don't think that includes occasions where teams have won by an innings after enforcing the follow-on, actually.
Neil Pickup
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All matches won by teams batting first - 149 innings victories: all of these must be after follow ons - so we have 200 wins, 13 draws and 3 defeats after a follow on.
Prince EWS
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I don't think we've accounted for three-innings draws that include a follow-on, actually.
Neil Pickup
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I'm trying to get a filter of matches that led to the batting team having a first-innings lead of > 200 at the moment, and not having much luck.
Prince EWS
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Yeah, I don't think that's possible at all.
stephen
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Well I must have been thinking of the 2001 game Aus vs Ind, not the 2002 one (there were no Aus vs Ind games in that year).
I was sure I'd heard commentators in the past say that the stats were worse for teams enforcing the follow on that teams who didn't.
I could very well be wrong though - I'd like the statistics.
I was sure I'd heard commentators in the past say that the stats were worse for teams enforcing the follow on that teams who didn't.
I could very well be wrong though - I'd like the statistics.
Neil Pickup
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I can get the team batting second having a lead of > 200, which makes me think it ought to be.
Prince EWS
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I'm pretty sure this is it. I could be wrong though.
EDIT: I don't think that includes occasions where teams have won by an innings after enforcing the follow-on, actually.
Batted in the third innings after fielding first takes all that in.
Still no way of doing this though:
Neil said:
popepouri
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Don't ask me but it's the upteanthed time he's scored in the 4th innings.
Neil Pickup
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And it is, if I use negative numbers for the lead. Filter: Cricinfo Statsguru - Test matches - Team records
This gives us all the times when a lead of >= 200 has been achieved. And only once before (Cricinfo - 3rd Test: South Africa v Australia at Durban, Jan 20-24, 1950) has batting on after a follow-on led to defeat. South Africa (311 & 99) lost to Australia (75 & 336/5).
Neil Pickup
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A 200+ lead has been achieved 300 times - 301 including the current game at the Wanderers.
There have been 5 defeats: the three famous follow-on wins, Kingsmead 1950 as mentioned, and the Leather Jacket Test, which doesn't count. There have been 219 wins, 200 of them analysed earlier by our filters, so therefore there are 19 wins when a team has batted again, and then bowled the opposition out in the fourth. I now need to analyse the 76 drawn games and work out how many of them have been three-innings draws (eg St John's 2004 - Lara's 400*) and how many have been four-innings draws (eg St John's 2009).
EDIT - this 76 is reduced to 61 if I remove weather-affected games that were 2-innings draws.
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pup11
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I am really worried about the way things are going atm, if the conditions remain the same tomorrow and a full day's play takes place, then South Africa pulling off a win here won't really be out of question, because unless weather intervenes in this game, I think we can pretty safely say that there will be result in this game, one way or the another.
Xuhaib
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Perth to be replayed I reckon
four_or_six
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Nah, will take an awesome batting effort to get this chased, plus some pretty average bowling. Also, lots of wickets have been falling on the mornings of the match.
TT Boy
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Shame I won't be able to watch the final day. I agreed to attend an English corner in my local University. Hopefully it is held in a classroom so I can Cricinfo the game or better still stream the game whilst looking interested.
Should be a cracker nevertheless. Pretty simple for South Africa, Amla and Kallis hit centuries, they win.
Should be a cracker nevertheless. Pretty simple for South Africa, Amla and Kallis hit centuries, they win.