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***Official*** Australian Domestic Season 2008/09

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
True, but really don't know why Hopes still is opening the innings for the Bulls, he is going to bat in the middle order for Australia, and therefore he should be doing the same for the Bulls.
DWTA really. Opening's where he's most effective in domestic one day cricket so that's where he should bat. Not everything revolves around the composition of the national team, and I'd argue that having the strongest competition possible (which is achieved by encouraging every team to play their best possible lineup and composition) will provide other players with a better test of their abilities anyway.
 
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Jakester1288

International Regular
True, but really don't know why Hopes still is opening the innings for the Bulls, he is going to bat in the middle order for Australia, and therefore he should be doing the same for the Bulls.
That's stupid. He should be opening the batting, he has been very effective doing it in the past and the Bulls shouldn't just be putting him down the order cause that's where he bats in a much higher standard of cricket.
 

Jakester1288

International Regular
DWTA really. Opening's where he's most effective in domestic one day cricket so that's where he should bat. Not everything revolves around the composition of the national team, and I'd argue that having the strongest competition possible (which is achieved by encouraging every team to play their best possible lineup and composition) will provide other players with a better test of their abilities anyway.
Beat me to it.
 

Julian87

State Captain
True, but really don't know why Hopes still is opening the innings for the Bulls, he is going to bat in the middle order for Australia, and therefore he should be doing the same for the Bulls.
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Disagree with that sentiment.

States play for victory, not to solely groom players for Australia's sake.

EWS beat me to it as well.
 

brockley

International Captain
Tom moody said he will fill the gaps in the side with players from the eatsern states perth paper,that includes brad knowles who was a late signing for WA.
Moody said club and junior cricket has been scanned and their no depth in wa cricket :ph34r:
 

pup11

International Coach
DWTA really. Opening's where he's most effective in domestic one day cricket so that's where he should bat. Not everything revolves around the composition of the national team, and I'd argue that having the strongest competition possible (which is achieved by encouraging every team to play their best possible lineup and composition) will provide other players with a better test of their abilities anyway.

Well didn't Queensland allow Watson to open the innings in FC games, so he could put in his name as a prospective opener for Australia in test cricket,and didn't WA allow Shaun Marsh to turn into an opener in all forms of the game, just because he was playing as a opener for Australia.

Its fair enough if QLD want to open with Hopes, and tbh that's where he is best suited to bat in OD cricket atm, but given the fact that there is no chance Hopes is gonna open for Australia in ODI cricket, so i felt it would have been better move for him to improve his lower-order batting by going back into the middle-order of the Queensland side.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Well didn't Queensland allow Watson to open the innings in FC games, so he could put in his name as a prospective opener for Australia in test cricket,and didn't WA allow Shaun Marsh to turn into an opener in all forms of the game, just because he was playing as a opener for Australia.
WA did it with Marsh because it suited them, actually. They had a stack of middle order players and no openers. That's even more true now, in fact.

Watson was a bit different, too. Firstly, he wanted to open for Queensland and secondly, it was worth a try anyway as he had all the basic tools to succeed there anyway. In the end it failed but it's a vastly different situation to moving one of your best OD bats down to 7 just because he's going to bat there at a higher level, particularly if he doesn't seem keen on it.
 
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pup11

International Coach
Tom moody said he will fill the gaps in the side with players from the eatsern states perth paper,that includes brad knowles who was a late signing for WA.
Moody said club and junior cricket has been scanned and their no depth in wa cricket :ph34r:
That's pretty bad news from the WA perspective, but really are they even giving these young blokes a fair go, they picked Mangan for this game and gave him only 12 overs to bowl in the whole game!!

Now what good does that do to him, i know the deck at Bellerive was a seamers haven, but still what's the whole point of picking him or anybody for that matter, if they are not even going to be given a fair chance to shown what they are made of.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Key point to both Watson and Marsh was that Queensland and WA had no regularly or first choice openers at the time and where looking for new openers. That why they opened not to try and push the National chances.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
That's pretty bad news from the WA perspective, but really are they even giving these young blokes a fair go, they picked Mangan for this game and gave him only 12 overs to bowl in the whole game!!

Now what good does that do to him, i know the deck at Bellerive was a seamers haven, but still what's the whole point of picking him or anybody for that matter, if they are not even going to be given a fair chance to shown what they are made of.
They are not bring in spinners. They are bring in batsmen and seamer, which is where they a light on. It would be worse for the likes of Mangan to play as specialist batsmen due to lack of batting options. That might make him forgot about his bowling and concentrate on batting like White, Smith and Mosies.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Mangan has some talent with the bat, but the best he can ever be is a Hauritz / Casson with stick in hand.
Yeah but if they play him at 6/7 due to the lack of batsmen. Any young cricketer would focus on batting, if they thought that was his shot in the starting XI.
 

pup11

International Coach
WA did it with Marsh because it suited them, actually. They had a stack of middle order players and no openers. That's even more true now, in fact.

Watson was a bit different, too. Firstly, he wanted to open for Queensland and secondly, it was worth a try anyway as he had all the basic tools to succeed there anyway. In the end it failed but it's a vastly different situation to moving one of your best OD bats down to 7 just because he's going to bat there at a higher level, particularly if he doesn't seem keen on it.
Key point to both Watson and Marsh was that Queensland and WA had no regularly or first choice openers at the time and where looking for new openers. That why they opened not to try and push the National chances.
Yeah its fair enough, but its really not unheard of players reinventing their role in their domestic sides according to what role they want to or are required to play in the international side, and most of the domestic sides too co-operate with their players in this regard.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Yeah its fair enough, but its really not unheard of players reinventing their role in their domestic sides according to what role they want to or are required to play in the international side
I never said it never happened. I said I don't agree with it. There's a big difference.
 

pup11

International Coach
They are not bring in spinners. They are bring in batsmen and seamer, which is where they a light on. It would be worse for the likes of Mangan to play as specialist batsmen due to lack of batting options. That might make him forgot about his bowling and concentrate on batting like White, Smith and Mosies.
I think its just not the case with spinners, what's wrong with giving a guy like Coetzee, Doropoulos, Heal or Simmons a chance, its not as if WA have anything else to fall back on, and btw was Edmondson injured, or is he dropped too...
 
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pup11

International Coach
They are not bring in spinners. They are bring in batsmen and seamer, which is where they a light on. It would be worse for the likes of Mangan to play as specialist batsmen due to lack of batting options. That might make him forgot about his bowling and concentrate on batting like White, Smith and Mosies.
I don't think any bloke in his right mind would would ignore his spin bowling to concentrate on his batting in Australia atm, given how thin the spin stocks are, one is likely to break into the the state side or even the national side even being a half-decent spinner, but its much harder to do so when you are just an average batsman.
 

Redbacks

International Captain
Good result today, Kossie in the runs after a 'two' simple chances went his way according to AB. It would be great to see 'potential' actually make the next step in 09/10.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
I think its just not the case with spinners, what's wrong with giving a guy like Coetzee, Doropoulos, Heal or Simmons a chance, its not as if WA have anything else to fall back on, and btw was Edmondson injured, or is he dropped too...
Droppers injured and so is Edmondson I believe. You could give Heal, Simmons and Coetzee decent run and not be able to field a balanced XI. The issue for WA is more to do with balance then quality. There are some talent but there no in the right areas.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Bummer. Was looking forward to going to the final on Sunday.

Probably better off in the long run, can't remember the last time we won a home final, we beat the Vics last time we played them in Melbourne anyway (in a final).
 

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