**Official** New Zealand in Australia

[pup11]

At 7 actually you disnumerate...

Oops, oh yeah my bad.. anyways still would bat Dussey at four, i think he can do a very good job there, given he plays in his natural way, in the last two games, he has been pretty inhibited in his stroke-play, but David Hussey bats best when he is playing his shots.

I don't know what it is, maybe its the fear of losing his place, or whatever, but he should be batting a lot more freely.

 

[Matt79]

Oops, oh yeah my bad.. anyways still would bat Dussey at four, i think he can do a very good job there, given he plays in his natural way, in the last two games, he has been pretty inhibited in his stroke-play, but David Hussey bats best when he is playing his shots.

I don't know what it is, maybe its the fear of losing his place, or whatever, but he should be batting a lot more freely.

Rather have Mike batting more than David at the moment.

 

[chaminda_00]

He's not had any chances to bat in the top 4 unless I missed it, however.

Probably has something to do with the fact that he rarely bats in the top 4 for Victoria, unless they have injuries coming out of their ass. The last thing Australia need is another batsmen batting out of position. Half the side already is.

Though the interesting thing about White is that he had a very similar start to his FC and List A career for Victoria when he batted at 6-8. Should a lot of promise at times, but rarely went on from a start. Only really started making runs when he started batting at 5. Looks very much like a specialist No 5 in ODs.

Their batting might improve if they start picking players in the correct positions and pick specialist over talent.

 

[Precambrian]

They are just toying with the career of Dave Warner atm, i think these constant failures could be giving his confidence a real hammering, and it clearly what happens when you push a bloke into the deep end, when he hasn't learned to swim all that well.

So he shoulnt have played ODIs at all right?

 

[biased indian]

Aus from top to third in a week....

 

[pup11]

It was worth a shot, and looked initially like it might come off - but I think he should be told that while he's still in their medium term thinking, they want him to go away and work on the couple of things that have been causing him problems in his state squad.

I think the media-attention and expectations have been a real killer for him, he is under tremendous pressure reproduce innings like his 89 or 60 odd.

Such an experiment was always likely to fail, because neither does he have experience nor maturity, he gets tied down for a few balls, then he realises, oh hell, i am the great David Warner, i should hit this ball out of orbit, and then he tries to manufacture shots out of nowhere.

 

[pup11]

Rather have Mike batting more than David at the moment.

Mussey is fine at 5 or 6, as his recent run of form after going back to that slot suggest, he is much comfortable batting in the middle and death stages of an ODI, rather then set the tempo of the innings, which is more likely to be the case with him batting at 4.

 

[pup11]

So he shoulnt have played ODIs at all right?

Yeah, i have been saying that even before he made his ODI debut, he played in the T20, got a taste of what international cricket is like, and after he should have been sent back to NSW, where he should have worked hard on making his way into the Aussie ODI side, rather than get such a easy ride, which could only do more harm than good to his international career in the long run.

 

[Woodster]

I would imagine Warner is one they may want to handle pretty gently. I agree with earlier comments that consistent failures at the top will do him no good, and such limited experience will leave him short of past diffulties to call upon and correct. He's a new kid on the block and with time and the right handling could potentially become an explosive presence at the top, on a more consistent basis.

I'd certainly think of taking him out of the limelight right now for a bit of domestic action.

 

[chaminda_00]

I would imagine Warner is one they may want to handle pretty gently. I agree with earlier comments that consistent failures at the top will do him no good, and such limited experience will leave him short of past diffulties to call upon and correct. He's a new kid on the block and with time and the right handling could potentially become an explosive presence at the top, on a more consistent basis.

I'd certainly think of taking him out of the limelight right now for a bit of domestic action.

With the way the Sydney media work. Even if he got dropped there would still be 2 page articles about why he should get recalled to the ODI on the back of a grade hundred. It probably better for him being interstate with the National team.

 

[four_or_six]

Yeah, i have been saying that even before he made his ODI debut, he played in the T20, got a taste of what international cricket is like, and after he should have been sent back to NSW, where he should have worked hard on making his way into the Aussie ODI side, rather than get such a easy ride, which could only do more harm than good to his international career in the long run.

I guess they weren't planning on playing him originally, because he got called into the squad after an injury. And now Marsh's injury has probably kept him there. The ideal would definitely be getting him back to NSW though for a bit. That is, of course, if NSW are going to play him.

 

[Matt79]

Probably has something to do with the fact that he rarely bats in the top 4 for Victoria, unless they have injuries coming out of their ass. The last thing Australia need is another batsmen batting out of position. Half the side already is.

Though the interesting thing about White is that he had a very similar start to his FC and List A career for Victoria when he batted at 6-8. Should a lot of promise at times, but rarely went on from a start. Only really started making runs when he started batting at 5. Looks very much like a specialist No 5 in ODs.

Their batting might improve if they start picking players in the correct positions and pick specialist over talent.

Alright then. Ferguson at 3, Mussey at 4, White at 5, Haddin at 6 then? Or, and here's a radical idea, until Ponting's back, bring in Hodge as his stunt double at 3!

EDIT: Forgot Hodge was injured. ****en dire.

 

[pasag]

Why not bring back Symonds for the next ODI? What about a side like:

Katich
Clarke
White
Haddin
Symonds
M.Hussey
Hopes
Noffers
Johnson
Bracken
McGain

A bit strange, but would work, IMO.

 

[Athlai]

NZ top 6 ODI averages:

McCullum 28.22
Guptill 62
Fulton 33.34
Taylor 40.37
Elliott 72
Broom 39.50

Probably the highest in history for NZ ITBT.

Funny how you'd probably rate our McCullum as our 2nd best bat after Taylor showing how meaningless averages are.

 

[Matt79]

Without making excuses, because NZ are playing beautifully, but what is our injury/suspension count now? I make it at:
Marsh
Watson
Symonds
Lee
Clark
Tait

From our normal XI. That's still the basis of a decent international one day team, even if the remaining slots were filled with grade cricketers...

Thought Elliott in particular batted nicely tonight.

 

[Matt79]

Why not bring back Symonds for the next ODI? What about a side like:

Katich
Clarke
White
Haddin
Symonds
M.Hussey
Hopes
Noffers
Johnson
Bracken
McGain

A bit strange, but would work, IMO.

As long as they don't get put under pressure and end up choking...

 

[chaminda_00]

Alright then. Ferguson at 3, Mussey at 4, White at 5, Haddin at 6 then? Or, and here's a radical idea, until Ponting's back, bring in Hodge as his stunt double at 3!

Would have Hodge in heart beat in this side if he wasn't injuried.

 

[Athlai]

Without making excuses, because NZ are playing beautifully, but what is our injury/suspension count now? I make it at:
Marsh
Watson
Symonds
Lee
Clark
Tait

From our normal XI. That's still the basis of a decent international one day team, even if the remaining slots were filled with grade cricketers...

Thought Elliott in particular batted nicely tonight.

Why not add our boys to the list?

Ryder
Oram
Styris
Franklin (still recovering)

Heck of a team that would be.

 

[Matt79]

Would have Hodge in heart beat in this side if he wasn't injuried.

Without making excuses, because NZ are playing beautifully, but what is our injury/suspension count now? I make it at:
Marsh
Watson
EDIT: Hodge
Symonds
Lee
Clark
Tait

From our normal XI. That's still the basis of a decent international one day team, even if the remaining slots were filled with grade cricketers...

Thought Elliott in particular batted nicely tonight.

Dire.

 

[pasag]

As long as they don't get put under pressure and end up choking...

Haha yeah, I don't like it much either come to think of it could get really bogged down. Might replace Katich with Quiney.