**Official** New Zealand in Australia

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Interestingly, would last night's decision have been referred anyway?

I wondered that.

 

[Precambrian]

I'll be interested to see the referral system in use for the SA-Aus series (we haven't had that much exposure to it here).

Don't want to hijack the discussion on here, but really are we at a point where we'll need to refer everything, by that I mean every appeal unless it's very obvious? Interestingly, would last night's decision have been referred anyway? I suppose the batsman would have gotten a shout from the shed to stay there and refer it.

Yep, and I really doubt Oxenford knew about the no ball rule. I can;t believe he failed to spot Haddin;s hands in front of the stumps.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Wow, the last few pages have been absolutely pathetic. Sure, Haddin made a mistake, probably knowingly, and still appealled. How that equates to "All Australians are cheaters etc. etc." is beyond me. It actually feels kinda reassuring that most people still have to pounce on a mistake made by an Australian player moreso than they would players from any other country.

Mostly from one troll, and the extreme NZ supporters, just like you get with all countries.

Regarding the bolded part, get over yourself.
Most people? As I said, minority of over-the-top bias supporters that ever country has, and one troll.

If a player from another country made such a mistake, I damn sure would feel the same, and there damn sure will be those extreme guys claiming the usual.
Heck, if my own countrymen made such a mistake I would still be pissed, and take the same stance I have now.

So yeah, get over yourself. Shocking post..

 

[andyc]

Pretty exciting game for the first one I've been able to watch on TV in 11 months, ended up at a pub watching the Kiwi innings and the tennis with some mates, was good stuff. I've not been bothered to read through the 50 odd pages that spawned after Broom's dismissal, but needless to say it wasn't pretty, and I'm really disappointed that Haddin didn't say anything, because surely he would've been able to realise what had happened. As it was, the right time won, given not only Haddin but just our batting in general, absolutely dire. Our effort during the batting Powerplay was ****ing abysmal and it needs to be sorted out.

 

[stephen]

Lol, that's really poor stuff from you. Bringing in another doubtful albiet ultimately given in favor of batsman due to too much doubt, which was the right thing, to defend an atrociously poor dismissal involving Haddin. More than blaming Haddin, I;d blame umpire Oxenford, who failed to spot that his gloves were in front of the stumps, and such stuff would be picked even in street cricket.

And just for argument sake, what about the McCullum dismissal then?

The McCullum dismissal was a terrible decision but an understandable one given that it was made in real time by the umpires on the ground. Those kind of shockers happen against every team (I seem to remember a good number of them in the '05 Ashes - one of the best test match series' of all time).

The third umpire giving what was clearly a runout "not out" should be seeing disciplinary measures taken against the third ump. The on field umpires were terrible the whole game as well. A poor game all round as far as umpiring went. But it did make for one hell of an ending.

 

[_Ed_]

Our effort during the batting Powerplay was ****ing abysmal and it needs to be sorted out.

Yeah, it's amazing really. Happened throughout the SA series too.

 

[Top_Cat]

Yep, and I really doubt Oxenford knew about the no ball rule. I can;t believe he failed to spot Haddin;s hands in front of the stumps.

Now come on, an umpire not knowing the no-ball rule? You're kidding. It's a pretty basic and fairly well-known rule. I'd say he just missed it, especially since it happened so quick.

And regarding McCullum's bat-pad, in hindsight it was obviously not out but in real-time at 150km/h, it's incredibly tough to see an inside-edge like that one where the ball took the edge and only had a few cm to travel to the pad. All too easy from the sidelines.

 

[Precambrian]

The McCullum dismissal was a terrible decision but an understandable one given that it was made in real time by the umpires on the ground. Those kind of shockers happen against every team (I seem to remember a good number of them in the '05 Ashes - one of the best test match series' of all time).

The third umpire giving what was clearly a runout "not out" should be seeing disciplinary measures taken against the third ump. The on field umpires were terrible the whole game as well. A poor game all round as far as umpiring went. But it did make for one hell of an ending.

Such third umpire gaffes also happen from time to time. Remember Symonds let off in that infamous Sydney match against India? Bruze Oxenford was the ump then.

 

[Precambrian]

Now come on, an umpire not knowing the no-ball rule? You're kidding. It's a pretty basic and fairly well-known rule. I'd say he just missed it, especially since it happened so quick.

And regarding McCullum's bat-pad, in hindsight it was obviously not out but in real-time at 150km/h, it's incredibly tough to see an inside-edge like that one where the ball took the edge and only had a few cm to travel to the pad. All too easy from the sidelines.

No, you are supposed to pick them when you are standing a few yards away, and esp when you are umpiring at the top level. No excuse for Oxenford not picking it.

 

[Michaelf7777777]

Broom was definately not out although not sure if Haddin's action was deliberate. However the umpiring decisions seemed to balance out with D. Hussey's dismissal and Vettori's non run out cancelling out the wrongly given dismissals of Neil Broom and Brendon McCullum

 

[stephen]

Such third umpire gaffes also happen from time to time. Remember Symonds let off in that infamous Sydney match against India? Bruze Oxenford was the ump then.

If you're refering to the huge nick that he said was not out. Again, very bad decision but understandable on occasion.

I am far more forgiving of on-field umpire's mistakes than a third umpire's mistakes.

 

[duffer]

If you're refering to the huge nick that he said was not out. Again, very bad decision but understandable on occasion.

Nah he was out stumped with his foot on the line and the third umpire gave him a pretty ridiculous benefit of the doubt. Was as much of a howler as anything Bucknor threw at us IMO.

 

[Jono]

Was so **** because Dhoni's work behind the stumps on the occasion was sublime.

 

[stephen]

Yeah cricket is really a game of swings and roundabouts. The umpiring was equally poor for both sides and the poor decisions probably balanced out over the course of the game. At the very least it was a) an exciting game and b) the better team on the day won.

Having said all this, I imagine that when I visit New Zealand in thirty years they'll still be going on about this, just as they go on about the underarm ball and we go on about bodyline.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

*sigh*

It's a shame that it has turned into this.
The whole media things works both ways, maybe Ponting should have had a talk with Vettori before interpreting his comment as "Haddin's a cheat".

 

[stephen]

Nah he was out stumped with his foot on the line and the third umpire gave him a pretty ridiculous benefit of the doubt. Was as much of a howler as anything Bucknor threw at us IMO.

TBH I don't remember the incident.

I still think that third umpires should be held to a higher standard of accountability than on-field umpires. Last night's decision was a shocker.

 

[Top_Cat]

No, you are supposed to pick them when you are standing a few yards away, and esp when you are umpiring at the top level. No excuse for Oxenford not picking it.

I'm not excusing him missing it, just saying it's pretty unlikely he didn't know the law.

Anyway, most umpires stand a little further than a few yards away. At international level, they're usually about 20m away from the bat so the chances of missing something as subtle as what happened last night are increased.

EDIT: Case in point, can you see a square-leg umpire here? I can't but I can see a 30m circle so he can't be too far away from that.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Having said all this, I imagine that when I visit New Zealand in thirty years they'll still be going on about this, just as they go on about the underarm ball and we go on about bodyline.

Nah, if we had lost then maybe.
Even the Collingwood-Elliott incident is probably forgotten because of the end result.

But you can't really get lower than the underarm anyways.

 

[JBH001]

I used to think about him like that. However these days I am wondering whether all his fighting spirit is all talk and no walk. Case in point include but not limited to Nagpur Test 2008, when he ostensibly put fear of a ban in front of team;s chance of winning. So that he could play a test against NZ. Ironically the same team against which he is getting rested now.

Maybe you are right, but I see that incident as more about Ponting's sheer stupidity than as indicative of a lack of fighting spirit. I am pretty sure Ponting realises that he is not merely a captain of a cricket team, but captain and (present) custodian of a long and proud heritage. I reckon he would want to fight for that.

 

[stephen]

*sigh*

It's a shame that it has turned into this.
The whole media things works both ways, maybe Ponting should have had a talk with Vettori before interpreting his comment as "Haddin's a cheat".

And perhaps Vettori should have been more diplomatic with his comments.

Either way the cat is out of the bag now and myself I don't mind sitting on the sides enjoying the show when a media brawl happens like this