Adrian Barath : A new hope for the Windies?

[Jigga988]

thanks....

I'm actually a serial poster on BBC 606 and another forum (you've probably guessed by now which one!).

Mr Mx, I actually agree that Ryan Hinds deserves a shot in the WIndies team, but probably as a replacement for the injured Bravo. Maybe he should bat at seven, and then drop Ramdin down to eight, since the keeper's not doing much with the bat.

I see Simmons coming into the number four spot for Marshall, if he continues to under-perform....

So the side would look like this then:

Gayle
Dev Smith
Sarwan
Marshall
Chanders
Nash
Hinds
Ramdin
Taylor
Jaggernauth/Powell
Edwards

Hoping the Windies selectors agree with you re. Marshall but atm, we cant afford to drop a bowler... with Windies bowlers being as erratic as they are, if someone goes offline, then we're going to be left with Taylor and a bunch of spinners, if a track ain't spinning and you got the likes of KP in full flow it could become very costly.

 

[shivfan]

Why would Ryan Hinds bat at 7? He's almost certainly a better batsman than Simmons, bats at 3 or 4 for Barbados and scores heavily there. Why is Simmons suddenly a better replacement for a batsman?

I see seven as the allrounder position, and Ryan Hinds has been tried at Test level, and found wanting in 10 Tests....

I accept your point that those stats were when he was young, and shunted into the side in time-honoured WI fashion before he was ready. I still am not convinced that he's good enough for number four.

Of course, if he comes into the side, and produces the runs, I will happily retract my opinion!

And let's face it - number four is currently occupied by Xavier Marshall, who has an inferior record to both Hinds and Simmons. I think Simmons is finally maturing into the cricketer he's promised to be. Of course, I may be wrong there too!

Let's see....

But not many of our batsmen score 281 against a touring England side, so for that, he deserves a chance. And his average of 40 in this season's Carib Series for trinidad can't hurt....

 

[shivfan]

So the side would look like this then:

Gayle
Dev Smith
Sarwan
Marshall
Chanders
Nash
Hinds
Ramdin
Taylor
Jaggernauth/Powell
Edwards

Hoping the Windies selectors agree with you re. Marshall but atm, we cant afford to drop a bowler... with Windies bowlers being as erratic as they are, if someone goes offline, then we're going to be left with Taylor and a bunch of spinners, if a track ain't spinning and you got the likes of KP in full flow it could become very costly.

Yeah, that's how I would pick it....

Let's face it - Powell isn't actually doing it for us, and do we have another pacer who's capable of taking his place? Hinds can spin it a bit, Nash can bowl his medium pacers, and Gayle has his slow bowling.

It's not like the extra bowler is doing it for us!

Do I take it my signature was not appropriate?

If so, I apologise....

 

[Jigga988]

I see seven as the allrounder position, and Ryan Hinds has been tried at Test level, and found wanting in 10 Tests....

I accept your point that those stats were when he was young, and shunted into the side in time-honoured WI fashion before he was ready. I still am not convinced that he's good enough for number four.

Of course, if he comes into the side, and produces the runs, I will happily retract my opinion!

And let's face it - number four is currently occupied by Xavier Marshall, who has an inferior record to both Hinds and Simmons. I think Simmons is finally maturing into the cricketer he's promised to be. Of course, I may be wrong there too!

Let's see....

But not many of our batsmen score 281 against a touring England side, so for that, he deserves a chance. And his average of 40 in this season's Carib Series for trinidad can't hurt....[/QUOTE]

That's the point I was saying a bit ago... the rarity of the achievement warrents at least contention for a place in a side where there is weaknesses in batting, i.e. Dev Smith and Marshall. If Simmons were to play then he needs to slot in to the top 6, could come in at 3 or 4 or even open, but not at 7. Hinds has had some chances batting in top 6, though his latest one involved him batting at 7 and failed so why not give fresh blood a chance.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I see seven as the allrounder position, and Ryan Hinds has been tried at Test level, and found wanting in 10 Tests....

Ryan Hinds is as much an allrounder as Chris Gayle.

I still am not convinced that he's good enough for number four.

And aside from one innings, how has Simmons even suggested that he is.

I think Simmons is finally maturing into the cricketer he's promised to be

Let's allow him to prove it please. For Trinidad and Tobago.

But not many of our batsmen score 281 against a touring England side, so for that, he deserves a chance. And his average of 40 in this season's Carib Series for trinidad can't hurt....

Roland Holder scored his highest first-class innings for West Indies 'A' against a touring England side. He was a good batsman for Barbados, but was never Test class.

And few players get the opportunity to do what Simmons did, given the state of the opposition bowling and the pitch and ground.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Hinds has had some chances batting in top 6, though his latest one involved him batting at 7 and failed so why not give fresh blood a chance.

You'd fit in well with the West Indies selectors.

 

[Jigga988]

You'd fit in well with the West Indies selectors.

I'm gonna go ahead and take that one as an insult, but at least Simmons had made centuries prior to the one in England - unlike Marshall - and now has just made a superd double hundred against the smae bowling line up we'll face on wednesday... why not give him a try is someone like Marshall or even Dev Smith fails.

 

[shivfan]

Ryan Hinds is as much an allrounder as Chris Gayle.

And aside from one innings, how has Simmons even suggested that he is.

Let's allow him to prove it please. For Trinidad and Tobago.

Roland Holder scored his highest first-class innings for West Indies 'A' against a touring England side. He was a good batsman for Barbados, but was never Test class.

And few players get the opportunity to do what Simmons did, given the state of the opposition bowling and the pitch and ground.

Good to see Jigga agrees with me!

Well Ryan Hinds has taken 16 wickets at an average of 16 so far in the Carib Series, so I'd say he's a better spinner than Gayle.

yes, I agree, Simmons needs to make runs for Trinidad as well. However, I feel he's better in the middle order, or one down, and Trinidad insist on using him as an opener....

Yes, the pitch helped Simmons, but before he came along, we didn't have a batsman who could do what he did on that pitch. The Leewards played Guyana, I think it was, at warner Park this season, and nobody scored what Simmons did in that match!

If Roland Holder was a young man now, with his stats, he would walk into this WI side....

 

[Precambrian]

thanks....

I'm actually a serial poster on BBC 606 and another forum (you've probably guessed by now which one!).

Mr Mx, I actually agree that Ryan Hinds deserves a shot in the WIndies team, but probably as a replacement for the injured Bravo. Maybe he should bat at seven, and then drop Ramdin down to eight, since the keeper's not doing much with the bat.

I see Simmons coming into the number four spot for Marshall, if he continues to under-perform....

Same ID at PC?

And Matt - A silent WI supporter in me also. For proof check the thread creator.

 

[Athlai]

Any keepers in waiting? Ramdin surely must be on the chopping block.

 

[Jigga988]

Any keepers in waiting? Ramdin surely must be on the chopping block.

None, I don't think anyway, unless you consider Mr Carlton I can't catch Baugh. Ramdin's keeping is pretty solid bar the NZ series and his batting has been shocking of late but he is capable of batting brilliantly, said this a million times on this place but the man was picked originally as a batsmen who could keep a little, he captained Windies U19 and was scoring centuries. Starting to doubt whether he can turn it around but should be persisted with for the rest of the England series.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Well Ryan Hinds has taken 16 wickets at an average of 16 so far in the Carib Series, so I'd say he's a better spinner than Gayle.

Gayle does not bowl as often as Ryan Hinds in domestic cricket. Most likely because Jamaica have several quality specialist spinners, which Barbados do not. Anyone who has seen Ryan Hinds knows that he's a batsman who bowls, rather than an allrounder. Anyway, should Jacques Kallis bat at 7? Why must allrounders bat 7? If your batting is as much better than your bowling as is the case with Hinds, you should bat in a batsman's spot.

Hinds has scored hundreds more runs than Simmons batting in the top order.

yes, I agree, Simmons needs to make runs for Trinidad as well. However, I feel he's better in the middle order, or one down, and Trinidad insist on using him as an opener....

Trinidad and Tobago have tried to use him in the middle order as much as possible, actually.

Yes, the pitch helped Simmons, but before he came along, we didn't have a batsman who could do what he did on that pitch.

So you think that Simmons is the only batsman in the region who would've scored 280odd in that match?

The Leewards played Guyana, I think it was, at warner Park this season, and nobody scored what Simmons did in that match!

Simmons himself has not done what he did in that match! Because he's a mediocre batsman until proven otherwise. One innings does not prove that.

If Roland Holder was a young man now, with his stats, he would walk into this WI side....

And he still would not be Test class. How does that help your point?

 

[shivfan]

Any keepers in waiting? Ramdin surely must be on the chopping block.

Thanks for the welcome, guys....

Seriously, though, who's going to replace Ramdin? Like Holding, I believe that your wickie should be the best gloveman in the region, and not a batsman who came keep a little bit (Geraint Jones, anyone?).

On that basis, who's a better keeper than Ramdin in the region? Patrick Browne and Carlton Baugh are batsmen who can keep a bit. And Baugh's batting has been so shot to hell that even Jamaica have dropped him!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I wouldn't call Patrick Browne much of a batsman...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

None, I don't think anyway, unless you consider Mr Courtney I can't catch Brown.

Mr Courney "I'm retired anyway" Browne?

the man was picked originally as a batsmen who could keep a little

AFAIK he was always a wicketkeeper-batsman actually.

 

[Athlai]

Ramdin is still far from the best gloveman in international cricket and probably the worst in terms of batting. (Would rate Rahim higher)

Average with the gloves.
Poor with the bat.

It just seems hard to believe that no one in the whole of the West Indies can displace him.

 

[shivfan]

Gayle does not bowl as often as Ryan Hinds in domestic cricket. Most likely because Jamaica have several quality specialist spinners, which Barbados do not. Anyone who has seen Ryan Hinds knows that he's a batsman who bowls, rather than an allrounder. Anyway, should Jacques Kallis bat at 7? Why must allrounders bat 7? If your batting is as much better than your bowling as is the case with Hinds, you should bat in a batsman's spot.

Hinds has scored hundreds more runs than Simmons batting in the top order.

Trinidad and Tobago have tried to use him in the middle order as much as possible, actually.

So you think that Simmons is the only batsman in the region who would've scored 280odd in that match?

Simmons himself has not done what he did in that match! Because he's a mediocre batsman until proven otherwise. One innings does not prove that.

And he still would not be Test class. How does that help your point?

Well, yes, Simmons was the only WI or England batsman who scored 280-odd in that match....

Was your point that Ryan Hinds would've done the same if he was selected? well, we'll never know now, will we? The fact is that Simmons was given the chance, and he took it....

You think Simmons is a mediocre batsman. I don't. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one, until proven otherwise. And we'll onlyknow when he gets the callup.

Holder played the same number of Tests as Hinds, and they both have similar batting stats. If you think Hinds should be given another chance, you could say the same for HOlder. Unfortunately, Holder wasn't called up until he was nearly 30. At least Hinds has youth on his side....

 

[Jigga988]

Mr Courney "I'm retired anyway" Browne?

AFAIK he was always a wicketkeeper-batsman actually.

Sorry, poor mistake there, was referring to Carlton Baugh, got those mixed up a couple times on CW and Ramdin was when in Windies U19 and maybe even a couuple years after that picked as a batsmen who could keep, has improved his keeping prodigiously since then and it's the other way round now but at the start I don't think it was.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Average with the gloves.
Poor with the bat.

Given what he did before the NZ series, I can safely say that Ramdin is above average with the gloves.

 

[shivfan]

Ramdin is still far from the best gloveman in international cricket and probably the worst in terms of batting. (Would rate Rahim higher)

Average with the gloves.
Poor with the bat.

It just seems hard to believe that no one in the whole of the West Indies can displace him.

It is an unfortunate indictment on wicketkeeping in the Caribbean....

I suppose there is Lindon James for the Windwards. And will the Windwards give the gloves to Andre Fletcher, to see what he's like in the longer form of the game?

How good a keeper is Jamaica's Hibbert? Are there any others?

I really don't know the answer to that....

Simmons is a wickie at times, but I'm not sure if he can do it on a regular basis.