Johnners
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Which is why I put dropped in inverted commas
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Symonds sent home
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Matt79
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, you keep coming back to that, but that's not what I'm questioning - I agree that they ended his suspension too soon. I'm just confused as to why you say that they never tried suspending him, or that his suitability to be in the team doesn't need to be examined yet again following this latest lapse.And then having spent half an hour on the couch - HALLELUJAH IT'S A MIRACLE!
Not that 2-0 had anything to do with it, of course
Are you saying that having stuffed up by letting him back in too soon, they've lost the right to re-examine whether or not he is suitable to be in their employ, or else selected in the team?
social
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Do you honestly believe that concern for his welfare (the tripe they kept peddling whilst "under suspension") or adherence to team ethos is at the forefront of CA's mind?
Dont be so incredibly naive
The only consideration (and it's been proven time and time and time again with the likes of Warne etc) will ultimately be whether player A can contribute more than player B
Oz thought they had Symonds covered by Watson etc so they left him home from India despite the fact that his 2005 suspension produced the most productive period of his career
Oz lose
Chances are that he didnt need much help, just management, CA knew it and dropped the charade by picking him in the test side without having scored a run
I'd be amazed if they do any more than slap him on the wrist for this one because Oz has injuries, and history says that that is how CA operates
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four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
I was hoping to purchase tickets to the Social show at the local theatre, but it appears Social bought all the tickets for himself...BHP employs 12,000 people in Oz (oh, that's right, used to employ) and have just sacked 6,000
I'm a director of a company that employs 4,000, and not only hasnt had to sack anyone but will have another 1,500 by the end of the year
So, feel free to call
Matt79
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, my naivete has been a personal hallmark over the years.
Still remain to be convinced that you've actually got any basis beyond pre-existing bias to label CA as being clueless - which is not to say that they haven't made a least a couple of mistakes in handling the situation. But I'll stop asking for that...
Regardless of how they've got here, they've now put themselves and Symonds in a position where they've put him on notice that he has to observe the standards of behaviour outlined to him as one of their employees or face sanction. He has obviously not met those standards on this occasion, and if they don't apply that sanction, they lose credibility and risk damaging the long-term attitude and stability of the team.
As for them not caring about team ethos and that sort of thing - they've got a bunch of professional coaches and sports managers who are madly into that sort of thing, so I'd say that they're highly interested in that sort of consideration. And saying that whether player A is better than player B is the sole consideration for selection is clearly rubbish when you look at the selection records of players like Katich and Hodge.
inbox24
International Debutant
Cheerio.
Precambrian
Banned
Social getting pwnd..
howardj
International Coach
Having actually listened to the interview, he's absolutely shattered - way too much of Grandapa's old cough medicine. The interview is pretty sad actually - not even Roy and HG are laughing. I get the feeling, as I predicted 12 months ago when he signed his massive IPL contract, that Symonds wouldn't mind at all if CA fired him. The ideal for him would be playing six weeks per year and raking in his IPL fee. There's no doubt he's felt very emboldened since he signed with IPL - he's really stepped up the bad ass factor ever since; thinking that he can be a law unto himself. To my mind, there's no way he'd be acting like this if there was no IPL.
Precambrian
Banned
So **** the IPL?
social
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So,let me get this straight.Yeah, my naivete has been a personal hallmark over the years.
Still remain to be convinced that you've actually got any basis beyond pre-existing bias to label CA as being clueless - which is not to say that they haven't made a least a couple of mistakes in handling the situation. But I'll stop asking for that...
Regardless of how they've got here, they've now put themselves and Symonds in a position where they've put him on notice that he has to observe the standards of behaviour outlined to him as one of their employees or face sanction. He has obviously not met those standards on this occasion, and if they don't apply that sanction, they lose credibility and risk damaging the long-term attitude and stability of the team.
As for them not caring about team ethos and that sort of thing - they've got a bunch of professional coaches and sports managers who are madly into that sort of thing, so I'd say that they're highly interested in that sort of consideration. And saying that whether player A is better than player B is the sole consideration for selection is clearly rubbish when you look at the selection records of players like Katich and Hodge.
Unlike Symonds, your suggesting that CA be cut some slack and that we simply forgive and forget all the stuff-ups that have been made in basically the ONLY challenging period these jokers have faced in the past 15 years
Welcome to the shangri la of management - all the credit in good times, none of the blame when things go bad.
That is absolute rubbish!
Furthermore, how CA handles this incident DOES NOT risk distabilising the Australian team as it has already been in a state of turmoil for some time and much of the blame for that can be placed squarely at the feet of CA (e.g. inconsistent selection policies, mismanagement of injuries, failure to back players in the face of financial pressure, etc etc etc are hardly going to creat team harmony)
Finally, do you really think that his team-mates will give a stuff about this interview if he goes out and knocks up a hundred in his next game?
Athlai
Not Terrible
Yes, because as soon as you are just looking at individual efforts you are no longer a team.
social
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The guy is a yob who goes fishing, plays cricket and earns the better part of a million bucks a year with or without the IPL
Chances are that he could be fired by the IPL tomorrow and wouldnt give a toss
social
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Are a group of 11 players happier when they are winning or when they "present themselves"?
Precambrian
Banned
Hi Symonda.
social
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Why does India still pick Harby?
Do they condone him hitting a fellow cricketer OR do they want to win?
And please dont reply with any bs about serving a penalty because it should've been a minimum of 2 years, probably closer to 5 and he would've been drummed out of virtually any club in the world for it
pup11
International Coach
This is stupid indeed from Symonds, but lets be honest what are we all surprised about, by now we all should have got pretty used to such stuff from Symonds.
This time though imo CA and James Sutherland and Andrew Hilditch should be blamed for this, after the lose in India Symonds was brought back into the teaming by making every Aussie fan across the world believe that Symonds has overcome his issues and is willing to make a fresh start, but that has certainly not proved to be the case.
Now its for CA to decide what they do from here, they gotta make a choice whether they are willing to tolerate further indiscpline on the part of Symonds just because he is a wonderful cricketer, or are they gonna get rid of him for good, because clearly warning him or counselling him isn't working, the current incident though idiotic might not be a huge one, but still going by whatever we have seen in regard of Symonds, worse incidents than these taking place in the future can't be written off as a possibility, so CA needs to decide whether they are ready to take that risk now with Symonds.
This time though imo CA and James Sutherland and Andrew Hilditch should be blamed for this, after the lose in India Symonds was brought back into the teaming by making every Aussie fan across the world believe that Symonds has overcome his issues and is willing to make a fresh start, but that has certainly not proved to be the case.
Now its for CA to decide what they do from here, they gotta make a choice whether they are willing to tolerate further indiscpline on the part of Symonds just because he is a wonderful cricketer, or are they gonna get rid of him for good, because clearly warning him or counselling him isn't working, the current incident though idiotic might not be a huge one, but still going by whatever we have seen in regard of Symonds, worse incidents than these taking place in the future can't be written off as a possibility, so CA needs to decide whether they are ready to take that risk now with Symonds.
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
Haha, why should CA, James Sutherland and Hilditch be blamed for Symonds acting like a **** again? Clearly they believed the issues were sorted - obviously Symonds is a bigger **** than we all thought.
Have you ever expected an Australian player to take responsibility for their own actions, pup? I have the feeling the answer is no.
Have you ever expected an Australian player to take responsibility for their own actions, pup? I have the feeling the answer is no.
pup11
International Coach
True Harbhajan should have been banned and i don't think anyone is defending a **** like him either, but so should have been Symonds after he turned up drunk for the Cardiff ODI against Bangladesh, i think that was a point where a strict message should have been sent out to him, that when representing a country such bull**** won't be tolerated from him.
Since then things went on and Symonds due to his skills and talent continued to grow into a bigger and better player, but its clearly evident he has grow too big for his boots, he is clearly a wonderful talent, but all the accolades and money that have come his way has ****ed up his already idiotic brain, he clearly has no respect for his opponents, leave alone his opponents, he clearly has no respect for his own mates, the likes of Ponting, Clarke, Hayden who have clearly backed him in his most desperate hour (s) as far as his career goes, he has ridiculed them and their trust.