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Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

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masterblaster

International Captain
That match is rumoured, actually. It's rumoured to be the moment when Vince finally makes his dramatic comeback to TV. I can see Steph picking Jericho to represent her after picking him for Superstar of the Year, and Punk needs a high-profile match. Punk vs Jericho on the grandest stage of all would rock the house.

Oh, and thanks. Should start a promotion myself someday. :D
Really? Haven't heard anything about that myself, but it seems logical for them to do it. Hopefully it is Chris Jericho vs CM Punk and not Umaga vs Triple H. Although I can see WWE doing a William Regal vs CM Punk match for the Intercontinental Championship as well.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Really? Haven't heard anything about that myself, but it seems logical for them to do it. Hopefully it is Chris Jericho vs CM Punk and not Umaga vs Triple H. Although I can see WWE doing a William Regal vs CM Punk match for the Intercontinental Championship as well.
Yeah, I was hesitating about putting Regal on there somewhere, but besides Punk, there really aren't any other good mid-card faces on RAW that might be freed up. Kingston-Regal would be poor, and Kingston would benefit more from being in the MITB match. In the end, I thought that it'd be better to have Regal involved in some other way than to have a match and a feud that weren't any good.

Umaga vs Triple H, I don't want to see again any time soon. They had a protracted feud late last year, and it's a bit of a stretch of kayfabe to have Triple H directly opposed to Stephanie in a feud - they'd have to acknowledge the history, and therefore the reality, and it would end up bombing in some way. I actually found out about that proposed angle from the Portuguese-language website I watch all my WWE on - there's a news section which is all in Portuguese, but I can read a limited amount of Portuguese, and from what I could garner, the plan was for Vince to return at WM. Seems to make sense, anyway.

I know they're planning on feuding Umaga with 'Taker on his return - which should kick some serious ass - but after that, Umaga might be treading water. He has a habit of working very stiffly, though, and an aptitude for cool spots, which is why I want to see him in an MITB match. Big Show was tough to fit on the card, but I guess him against Triple H wouldn't be so bad.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I just got my copy of Smackdown vs Raw 2009. I must say this is the best wrestling game I've played since Smackdown Here Comes The Pain. The graphics are absolutely stunning, the roster is fantastic and the amount of features in this game is unbelievable.

From Inferno Matches, Elimination Chambers, Hell in a Cell, TLC, Steel Cage, ECW Extreme Rules, Ladder, Royal Rumble, Battle Royals, Iron Man Matches, Submission Matches, there is everything you could possibly want.

To top it off the Road To Wrestlemania mode is absolutely awesome. I'm half way through Chris Jericho's Road To Wrestlemania and the storylines are really intruiging and play brilliantly in the game. With another five more Road To Wrestlemania's to choose from, that's a lot of storylines and a lot of hours of replay value right there.

Career mode is great as it allows you to work from the bottom all the way to the top. Create A Finisher is fantastic, I've already created The Canadian Destroyer and Create A Wrestler has a lot of depth this season.

All in all, it's probably the best wrestling game I've played and after the massive let down that TNA Impact was, this game deserves to be known as the king of wrestling games. One of the best wrestling games I've played in a long time. If you're on the fence about getting this game, I recommend that you buy it. You will not be disappointed.
A thoughtful friend of mine got it for me for Christmas, started a Road to Mania and I must say it's very nicely presented and visually stunnig with excellent in ring play. But am still slightly disappinted that we seemingly have no conrol over where the storylines go next as was the case in previous SD v RAW's. Still the create functions are much improved on this edition will have to wait and see about how much longevity it has.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
A thoughtful friend of mine got it for me for Christmas, started a Road to Mania and I must say it's very nicely presented and visually stunnig with excellent in ring play. But am still slightly disappinted that we seemingly have no conrol over where the storylines go next as was the case in previous SD v RAW's. Still the create functions are much improved on this edition will have to wait and see about how much longevity it has.
You do have some control. Play Triple H's Road to WrestleMania storyline, or the tag team one featuring Batista & Mysterio.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You do have some control. Play Triple H's Road to WrestleMania storyline, or the tag team one featuring Batista & Mysterio.
Ah was doing Cena's one which was ridiculously bland. Will try the other ones after should be better. Still would've liked o have ahad a custom character involved in some storylines rather than just picking a path and heading straight into some matches.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Ah was doing Cena's one which was ridiculously bland. Will try the other ones after should be better. Still would've liked o have ahad a custom character involved in some storylines rather than just picking a path and heading straight into some matches.
Yeah, Cena's one is probably the least interesting of the Road to WrestleMania storylines. Triple H's is good, Jericho's is a lot of fun, and the addition of the Batista-Mysterio co-operative storyline is a great idea. I hope they expand on the Road to WrestleMania feature in SvR 2010 - I'd love to see a co-op storyline featuring Miz and Morrison (they're your opponents for a while in the Batista-Mysterio storyline, but they're not playable) or The Hardys, or a singles storyline for HBK, Randy Orton, MVP or Mr. Kennedy.

Just watched this week's SmackDown - I'm now convinced the company are going with Hardy vs Hardy at WrestleMania, and I love it. Matt's cheesy and unnecessary celebration of Jeff's count-out victory over Big Show is obviously a set-up for him turning on Jeff. Can't wait.

Also props go to Hurricane Helms and Shelton Benjamin for an outstanding US Championship match. Hope we see more from these two.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
How much time did the US title match get? Give Shelton any more than 5 minutes and he'lll entertain anyone. Shame I missed it, would've loved to have seen Helms go again in a big game. Hope they continue using their genuine talent though.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
How much time did the US title match get? Give Shelton any more than 5 minutes and he'lll entertain anyone. Shame I missed it, would've loved to have seen Helms go again in a big game. Hope they continue using their genuine talent though.
Maybe 10-12 minutes or so? Long enough, either way. What's awesome is that after so many gimmicks and different pushes, Helms now has loads of different finishers, so his matches are full of false finishes. He's got the top-rope crossbody, the Nightmare on Helms Street, the Vertebreaker (which he's not allowed to do any more), the double-wristlock neckbreaker that I don't think has a name, and numerous Shining Wizard variations. Love that man.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
The lastest update on Christian going to WWE:

"It definitely appears that Christian Cage is returning to World Wrestling Entertainment after spending the past three years in TNA. There have already been talks of holding a match between Christian & Jeff Hardy at WrestleMania 25, reports ProWrestling.NET.

Cage could be revealed as the mystery person in the storyline of who attacked Jeff Hardy on the morning of last month's Survivor Series pay-per-view although that could change as there have been numerous ideas brought up in recent weeks including Matt Hardy being revealed as the attacker. Still no word yet on when he'll make his official return to WWE."


Sounds great. I can definitely get behind a Christian vs Jeff Hardy feud for the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
The lastest update on Christian going to WWE:

"It definitely appears that Christian Cage is returning to World Wrestling Entertainment after spending the past three years in TNA. There have already been talks of holding a match between Christian & Jeff Hardy at WrestleMania 25, reports ProWrestling.NET.

Cage could be revealed as the mystery person in the storyline of who attacked Jeff Hardy on the morning of last month's Survivor Series pay-per-view although that could change as there have been numerous ideas brought up in recent weeks including Matt Hardy being revealed as the attacker. Still no word yet on when he'll make his official return to WWE."


Sounds great. I can definitely get behind a Christian vs Jeff Hardy feud for the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania.
That would be great, but I personally would prefer Christian vs Edge and Jeff vs Matt. If we get Christian vs Jeff, then Matt goes back down the card and Edge takes on Triple H, no doubt getting buried to boot.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Cena vs JBL for the World Heavyweight Championship at the Royal Rumble seems like an okay move. The Royal Rumble main events are always throwaway ones with the championship never changing hands, so this gives Cena some momentum going into Wrestlemania and will progress the JBL vs Shawn Michaels storyline too.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
That would be great, but I personally would prefer Christian vs Edge and Jeff vs Matt. If we get Christian vs Jeff, then Matt goes back down the card and Edge takes on Triple H, no doubt getting buried to boot.
Matt Hardy is ECW Champion so he'll likely be in a prominent match at Wrestlemania, maybe even a triple threat for the ECW Championship. He could also be aligned with Christian and we may get Matt Hardy vs Jeff Hardy at Backlash instead of Wrestlemania as WWE may be a bit cautious in doing a Hardy vs Hardy match at such a big stage.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
When I used to watch wrestling, Backlash always used to be the better event. Does that still happen?
 

masterblaster

International Captain
When I used to watch wrestling, Backlash always used to be the better event. Does that still happen?
Generally the big money PPVs are your traditional 'Big 4' which include Summerslam, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania. The rest of the PPVs are there to advance storylines and experiment with different match ups in order to establish new stars.

The 'Big 4' are the ones that offer the real spectacle and showcase the big money matches. But Backlash is considered a good PPV because it's the first PPV after Wrestlemania and there are often strong matches on the card.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
The US Government has officially released the results of it's investigation of steriods in professional wrestling. The results for both WWE and TNA are not good:

January 2, 2009
The Honorable John P. Walters
Director
Office of National Drug Control Policy
Executive Office of the President
Washington, DC 20503

Dear Mr. Walters:

As you may know, I will be leaving the Oversight Committee to become Chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee. Before I make this transition, I want to provide you with information from the Oversight Committee's investigation into the use of steroids in professional wrestling, which over 3 million children and teens watch regularly. I also request that your office examine the systemic differences in the testing policies and practices of professional wrestling that the investigation has found.

On June 24,2007, Chris Benoit, a professional wrestler with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE), killed his wife and son and hung himself. According to press reports, Mr. Benoit's testosterone levels were ten times normal levels when he committed suicide. In response to concerns about this incident, the Committee wrote to the WWE, Total Nonstop Action, and other professional wrestling organizations requesting information on their steroid policies and their knowledge of steroid abuse within their organizations. The Committee also conducted transcribed interviews with WWE Chairman Vince McMahon and other professional wrestling officials.

The documents produced to the Committee, and the information provided during interviews, indicate that steroid use is pervasive in professional wrestling and that the organizations involved have not taken adequate steps to address this problem. The information reviewed by the Committee shows:

# In the first year of the WWE's testing program, which began in March 2006, 40% of
wrestlers tested positive for steroids and other drugs even after being warned in advance
that they were going to be tested.

# Six months after the WWE announced its 2006 steroid testing policy, it relaxed the policy
to allow wrestlers suspended for steroid abuse to participate in "selected televised events"
and "pay-per-views."

# The WWE hired four of five wrestlers who tested positive for steroids in "pre-contract"
testing conducted in2007 and 2008.

# The WWE regularly approved "therapeutic use exemptions," explicitly allowing the use
of steroids as part of a "testosterone replacement acceptance program" for wrestlers who
abused steroids in the past.

# Test results from the 'WWE's top competitor, Total Nonstop Action Wrestling, reveal that
a large proportion of TNA wrestlers have also tested positive and that there are
significant weaknesses in the TNA testing program.

# The Committee obtained information relating to the death of Chris Benoit. According to
WWE officials, Mr. Benoit was tested four times for steroids prior to his death. He tested
positive three times, but each time he received only a warning or no penalty at all. The
Committee obtained no evidence that efforts were made to discourage his steroid abuse.
World Wrestling Entertainment Policies and Practices

# According to documents provided to the Committee, the WWE had a steroids testing
program in the 1990s that was eliminated in 1996, On October 25,1996, the WWE's Chairman
and CEO, Vince McMahon, issued a memo explaining his decision. The memo stated: "the
incidence of illegal and performance enhancing drugs is so slight that group testing is no longer
cost effective or necessary."

# In March 2006, Mr. McMahon reinstituted the steroids testing program after press reports
suggested that the death of popular WWE wrestler Eddie Guerrero four months earlier was
linked to steroid abuse.' Under the new WWE policy, the first series of tests were considered
"baseline tests." 'Wrestlers were informed in advance that they would be tested and that no
penalties would be imposed. The documents produced to the Committee indicate that 75 of the
186 wrestlers (40%) tested positive for steroids or other drugs.

# After this initial baseline testing, the WWE began imposing penalties for wrestlers who
tested positive. Despite these penalties, between March 2006 and March 2008, testing of WWE
wrestlers resulted in an additional 34 positive test results for steroids. The WWE, also reported
to the Committee that there were an additional 23 positive tests for other drugs, including cocaine, ecstasy, and methadone.

# The drug policy was weakened when allowed wrestlers to perform even in
cases where they had been suspended as a result of positive drug tests. On August 21,2006,fhe
WV/E issued an amendment to the substance abuse policy stating that the WWE "may, at its
discretion, schedule the Talent to work selected televised events without pay and pay-per-views
with pay during the 30 day suspension period."

# On September 25,2007, the Committee interviewed Dr. David Black, who is the program
administrator for the WWE steroid testing program. In his interview, Dr. Black stated that this
amendment was adopted because "it was becoming difficult to deal with the talent who were
being suspended,"8 Dr. Black told Committee staff that he was "unaccustomed to programs that
suspend and you're not suspended."

# In addition to the large number of positive drug tests, documents provided by the WWE
indicate that between November 2007 and March 2008, five individuals tested positive for
steroids in "pre-contract" testing, Despite these positive tests, WWE hired four of these
individuals.

# On September 24,2007, the Committee staff conducted an interview with Dr. Tracy Ray,
a physician with Andrews Sports Medicine and Orthopedic Center who is under contract with the
WWE as the "medical review officer" for the WWE's steroid testing program. During his
interview, Dr. Ray discussed the WWE's policy for "therapeutic use exemptions" to allow
wrestlers to continue performing while using steroids. Dr. Ray informed the Committee that he
is not a trained endocrinologist. He also stated that he does not examine wrestlers, discuss their
medical conditions with their doctors, or conduct detailed reviews of their medical conditions
before granting therapeutic use exemptions. According to the documents produced to the
Committee, Dr. Ray approved seven therapeutic use exemptions since 2006. Dr. Bay informed
the Committee that there was "shadiness in almost every case that I've reviewed."

# Dr. Black, the WWE's program administrator for the steroid testing program, described
these therapeutic use exemptions as "a testosterone replacement acceptance program."'' He
indicated that this policy allows wrestlers who have damaged their endocrine system through the
abuse of anabolic steroids to continue using these drugs.l3

# On December 14, 2007, the Committee interviewed Vince McMahon, the Chairman of
the WWE and one of its most well-known performers, Mr. McMahon has admitted to using
steroids in the past. He refused to answer questions from the Committee, however, about his
personal steroid use.'5 Mr. McMahon informed the Committee that even though he continues to
perform in wrestling events, he is not subject to the WWE substance abuse policy, including its
drug testing provisions. I 6

# During his interview, Mr. McMahon was asked whether he knew if there are health risks
from steroid use, including long-term risks. He responded: "I'm not a doctor. I don't know."

# When asked what he would tell wrestlers who asked about potential health risks, he answered:
"I don't know if there are really any long-term effects of steroid usage."

# When asked whether steroids could cause impairment and risks to wrestlers and others in the ring, Mr. McMahon indicated that he had never considered the question.

# As part of the Committee's inquiry, the Committee sought information about any steroid
testing involving Chris Benoit, the wrestler who killed himself and his wife and son in June
2007. WWE officials informed the Committee that Mr. Benoit was tested four times under the
WWE program, He tested positive three times. He received no suspensions or other penalties as
a result of these positive tests, and the Committee obtained no evidence indicating that efforts
were made by WWE to discourage his steroid use, An autopsy of Mr. Benoit revealed that at the
time of his death, he had ten times the normal testosterone level in his system."


Total Nonstop Action Wrestling Policies and Practices

# The Committee also obtained documents relating to the steroids policies and testing
practices of the WWE's top competitor, Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA).

# According to the documents, the TNA conducted baseline steroid testing of its wrestlers starting in January 008. The documents provided to the Committee indicate that, despite having advance warning of these tests, 15 of 60 wrestlers (25%), tested positive for steroids.

# An additional 11 wrestlers tested positive for other drugs.

# Eight months later, in August 2008, the TNA issued a drug and alcohol abuse policy that
includes random testing, although it fails to explain the protocol for selecting wrestlers who will
be tested or provide information about how samples will be collected.

Conclusion

The evidence obtained by the Oversight Committee indicates that illegal use of steroids and other drugs in professional wrestling is a serious problem that the wrestling organizations are not effectively addressing. One former wrestler who agreed to talk to Committee staff on condition of anonymity explained that, in the wrestling business, "steroids are like white socks and tape, they're just part of your gear,"

Since the Committee began its investigation last year, both the WWE and the TNA have made efforts to improve their steroid testing programs. But these efforts suffer from a lack of independence and transparency. As a result of these weaknesses, the organizations appear unable to effectively prevent the use of steroids and other illegal drugs by professional wrestlers.

Over 3 million children and teenagers watch professional wrestling each week. The apparently widespread use of steroids in professional wrestling sends the wrong message to youth. For this reason, I request that ONDCP examine steroid use in professional wrestling and take appropriate steps to address this problem.

If you have any questions regarding this letter, please contact Brian Cohen of the
Committee staff at (202)225-5420.

Sincerely
Henry A. Waxman
Chairman
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
mb's article said:
# During his interview, Mr. McMahon was asked whether he knew if there are health risks
from steroid use, including long-term risks. He responded: "I'm not a doctor. I don't know."

# When asked what he would tell wrestlers who asked about potential health risks, he answered:
"I don't know if there are really any long-term effects of steroid usage."

# When asked whether steroids could cause impairment and risks to wrestlers and others in the ring, Mr. McMahon indicated that he had never considered the question.
Bloody hell I knew Vince was an evil sack of **** but this takes the cake.

Oh and the "therapeutic use exemptions" :laugh:

Wow, just wow. Will read all the interviews later. Should be insightful but am afraid it could put me off pro wrestling for a while just like the Benoit death did.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Just reading the Stephanie McMahon interview more and everything is explained in depth like I have never heard before. Her role in creative, backstage, the writing process, mention of TNA as competitors and her describing terms like 'over', 'push', 'mid card' and telling stories of how CM Punk got into the WWE through ROH and describing Randy Orton's work and calling Hulk Hogan a 'terrible wrestler' is just absolutely amazing. It's amazing that an interview of such depth is posted on a public forum.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Bloody hell I knew Vince was an evil sack of **** but this takes the cake.

Oh and the "therapeutic use exemptions" :laugh:

Wow, just wow. Will read all the interviews later. Should be insightful but am afraid it could put me off pro wrestling for a while just like the Benoit death did.
I guess that's why guys like Batista and Triple H never seem to get smaller.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
I'm just reading the interview with Vince there, and there's at least one flat-out lie from Vince so far. In answer to the question of whether there was ever explicit reference in a WWE script to a particular wrestler ever having to lose weight or get smaller, he says no - when any long-time fan can tell you there were numerous backstage skits prior to WrestleMania XX (or possibly a bit earlier) where Matt Hardy would be frantically trying to get down to 215 pounds, in order to compete in the Cruiserweight division.

Very interesting read so far, for sure.
 
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