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*Official* English Football Season 2008-2009

sledger

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To be honest I don't really have a lot of problems with Diaby, I have greater confidence in him that I probably do in Denilson. I wouldn't agree with the suggestion that his work rate is poor, and he has shown that he can shoot. At least (unlike Denilson - who I do in fact rate) he offers a bit of bite and drive to the midfield.
 

duffer

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To be honest I don't really have a lot of problems with Diaby, I have greater confidence in him that I probably do in Denilson. I wouldn't agree with the suggestion that his work rate is poor, and he has shown that he can shoot. At least (unlike Denilson - who I do in fact rate) he offers a bit of bite and drive to the midfield.
I reckon Abou has all the footballing ability in the world but might be pea brained when it comes to football IQ (not general IQ, it's possible to be thick as pig sh*t but still an incredibly savvy footballer and vice versa). as shown by his tendency to take a million touches on the ball without figuring out where the best option is. Throw in the injury proneness and he is a wholly frustrating footballer for mine no matter his pure talent and size.

For me Denilson seems like a jack of all trades master of none. He has a decent workrate technique, passing, speed of thought, shooting and tackling yet he doesn't do anything at a truly eilite level. Arsene probably sees a lot more upside than most mere mortals like us do but I really see no justification for him to be starting at a perennial Chapions League club at this stage of his development. Very much a project player.
 

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To be honest I don't really have a lot of problems with Diaby, I have greater confidence in him that I probably do in Denilson. I wouldn't agree with the suggestion that his work rate is poor, and he has shown that he can shoot. At least (unlike Denilson - who I do in fact rate) he offers a bit of bite and drive to the midfield.
Rose tinted glasses.

At least Denilson lasts 14 minutes on the field before rupturing ligaments. take him every single day of the week over Abou "**** is that my knee again?" Diaby.
 

sledger

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Rose tinted glasses.

At least Denilson lasts 14 minutes on the field before rupturing ligaments. take him every single day of the week over Abou "**** is that my knee again?" Diaby.
Bull, I concede that he is far from perfect, and clearly him being constantly injured obviously will not help his cause, frustrating perhaps, but it's hardly fair to condem him for something that is beyond his control.
 

sledger

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I reckon Abou has all the footballing ability in the world but might be pea brained when it comes to football IQ (not general IQ, it's possible to be thick as pig sh*t but still an incredibly savvy footballer and vice versa). as shown by his tendency to take a million touches on the ball without figuring out where the best option is. Throw in the injury proneness and he is a wholly frustrating footballer for mine no matter his pure talent and size.

For me Denilson seems like a jack of all trades master of none. He has a decent workrate technique, passing, speed of thought, shooting and tackling yet he doesn't do anything at a truly eilite level. Arsene probably sees a lot more upside than most mere mortals like us do but I really see no justification for him to be starting at a perennial Chapions League club at this stage of his development. Very much a project player.
Yeah I wouldn't disagree with most of that, Denilson seems to have a decent awareness on the pitch, and can pick a pass, but what Arsenal really need from their midfield is a player who can tackle well and add an extra dimension to the attack, he offers neither of these things. Would really like to see Ramsey get an extended run in the side tbh, would have thought that with all the injuries at the moment it's not out of the question either. Like you say though, Denilson is clearly one for the future, at the moment I would be happier to see him making sporadic appearances rather than appearing week in week out, but again, with the current injury situation it perhaps cannot be helped.
 

sledger

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Players are condemned for injury prone-ness all the time. Watto, for example. 95% of Australia hates him because of it.

Kid yourself all you like, he'll be sold for **** all soon enough.
Yes, but I would say there is a difference between a general distain for an injury prone player and critique of his abillity as they are wholly seperate things. The point I was generally making was that just because a player is regularly sustaining injuries does not neccesarily equate to him being a poor player, nor does it detract from his level of skill/ability etc...(Ole Solskaer for example).
 
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duffer

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Yeah I wouldn't disagree with most of that, Denilson seems to have a decent awareness on the pitch, and can pick a pass, but what Arsenal really need from their midfield is a player who can tackle well and add an extra dimension to the attack, he offers neither of these things. Would really like to see Ramsey get an extended run in the side tbh, would have thought that with all the injuries at the moment it's not out of the question either. Like you say though, Denilson is clearly one for the future, at the moment I would be happier to see him making sporadic appearances rather than appearing week in week out, but again, with the current injury situation it perhaps cannot be helped.
I agree we have been somewhat hampered by injuries over the past couple of years, but surely having an injury prone squad would require having a deep squad at the same time and not requiring to rely on sick notes like Diaby (every time I hear Arsene say Rvp and Eduardo will be like new signings I mutilate my labrador (whom I named Freddie) mediocre players like Eboue, Bendtner and infants like Ramsey, Wilshere, Vela etc to step up and make an immediate impact in the squad.

I could be a sadist and compare the late 90's and early 200'0s squads Arsene has assembled critique them compared to now but it would just make me sad, but suffice to say if he truly believes this squad is good enought to challenge for any major trophy he is properly deluded. But the gist of my gripe is that the current squad is missing guys like Keown and Parlour, good footballers who were hard as nails and would would give anything and everything to play and succeed for Arsenal, yet these are the types of guys Arsene would be least likely to sign to move the team forwards.

And all this completely ignoring the fact that the club has let go off three good-> world class DM's in the past year without adequately replacing them.
 
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sledger

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I agree we have been somewhat hampered by injuries over the past couple of years, but surely having an injury prone squad would require having a deep squad at the same time and not requiring to rely on sick notes like Diaby (every time I hear Arsene say Rvp and Eduardo will be like new signings I mutilate my labrador (whom I named Freddie) mediocre players like Eboue, Bendtner and infants like Ramsey, Wilshere, Vela etc to step up and make an immediate impact in the squad.

I could be a sadist and compare the late 90's and early 200'0s squads Arsene has assembled critique them compared to now but it would just make me sad, but suffice to say if he truly believes this squad is good enought to challenge for any major trophy he is properly deluded. But the gist of my gripe is that the current squad is missing guys like Keown and Parlour, good footballers who were hard as nails and would would give anything and everything to play and succeed for Arsenal, yet these are the types of guys Arsene would be least likely to sign to move the team forwards.

And all this completely ignoring the fact that the club has let go off three good-> world class DM's in the past year without adequately replacing them.
Eboue is having a shocking time of it lately, being subbed on and then subbed off later in the match is absolutely unheard of for an Arsenal player, rarely have I seen an Arsenal player get such a hostile reception from the fans as well, which is a shame, as a few years ago in the season which we reached the champions league final he looked like a very useful player indeed. Will be nice when Rosicky is back in the fold, as he is a very useful player to have in the side, but again, totally unreliable with regards to his fitness, and yes....it's probably only a matter of time before Van Persie is crocked again. I think the return of Eduardo could be quite significant, if (and its a pretty big if) he can get back to the kind of form he was in before he sustained his broken leg then he could really add something a bit different to the team going forward, as at the moment we don't really have any pace up front, esspecially with Walcott out for a while.

*remembers Robert Pires and sighs*
 

duffer

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Eboue is having a shocking time of it lately, being subbed on and then subbed off later in the match is absolutely unheard of for an Arsenal player, rarely have I seen an Arsenal player get such a hostile reception from the fans as well, which is a shame, as a few years ago in the season which we reached the champions league final he looked like a very useful player indeed. Will be nice when Rosicky is back in the fold, as he is a very useful player to have in the side, but again, totally unreliable with regards to his fitness, and yes....it's probably only a matter of time before Van Persie is crocked again. I think the return of Eduardo could be quite significant, if (and its a pretty big if) he can get back to the kind of form he was in before he sustained his broken leg then he could really add something a bit different to the team going forward, as at the moment we don't really have any pace up front, esspecially with Walcott out for a while.

*remembers Robert Pires and sighs*
Am very optimistic about Eduardo, know a lot of Dinamo fans here in Melbourne who tell me he's hard as nails and always comes back stronger when faced with adversity (think black Brazilian becoming a hero of even the most radical Eastern European). Rosicky I don't know. Fisrt he was scheduled to return start of this season, then during December and now Arsene is saying he'll return in March. Very pessimistic about him tbh.

About Eboue, seemed like a promising attaking fullbakc and I guess a lot of people thought he would make the natural progression to winger easily. Problem is, he can't start his runs from deep anymore and opposing fullbacks are all over him like a rash before he can react ( another low IQ player in the squad). Add to that how one dimensional and one footed he is and THEN add to that his antics whenever anyone dares tackle him and I really have very little sympathy for the bloke. Maybe he's just thick? But I dunno.

Still think there's way too many average players in the squad when you consider early 2000's the likes of Parlour, Edu, Wiltord, Kanu, Keown wwere the ones coming off the bench. Don't buy the skint argument either, especially with Hill-Wood and Fiszman constantly bragging about how good the business model is and with the fact that ticket prices seem to br going up year in year out no matter what the net transfer and wage spend of the club seems to be.
 

sledger

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Am very optimistic about Eduardo, know a lot of Dinamo fans here in Melbourne who tell me he's hard as nails and always comes back stronger when faced with adversity (think black Brazilian becoming a hero of even the most radical Eastern European). Rosicky I don't know. Fisrt he was scheduled to return start of this season, then during December and now Arsene is saying he'll return in March. Very pessimistic about him tbh.

About Eboue, seemed like a promising attaking fullbakc and I guess a lot of people thought he would make the natural progression to winger easily. Problem is, he can't start his runs from deep anymore and opposing fullbacks are all over him like a rash before he can react ( another low IQ player in the squad). Add to that how one dimensional and one footed he is and THEN add to that his antics whenever anyone dares tackle him and I really have very little sympathy for the bloke. Maybe he's just thick? But I dunno.

Still think there's way too many average players in the squad when you consider early 2000's the likes of Parlour, Edu, Wiltord, Kanu, Keown wwere the ones coming off the bench. Don't buy the skint argument either, especially with Hill-Wood and Fiszman constantly bragging about how good the business model is and with the fact that ticket prices seem to br going up year in year out no matter what the net transfer and wage spend of the club seems to be.
I think Ray Parlour was a hugely influential player for Arsenal, Romford Ray was massively underated in my eyes, and could never understand why other people didn't rate him more highly, not only did he fight and scrap but he had bags of skill and excellent technique, I would go as far to say as he is the player who has improved the most under Wengers tenure at Arsenal, though there are arguments for countless other players as well.

I am largely undecided on Eboue, he has shown that he can be a complete idiot and somewhat of a liability on the field at times (his sending off against Man Utd in the FA cup last season was truly abysmal on his part). An interesting statistic I picked up on the other day, was that apparenly 70% of hsi completed passes are back to the defence, which is pretty shockingly bad when you think about it. I still think he has the obvious attrubutes required to make a sucess of himself on the wing or back in defence (though Sagna is obviously a much better player) but....time may be up for him if he doesn't pull through soon.
 

duffer

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I am largely undecided on Eboue, he has shown that he can be a complete idiot and somewhat of a liability on the field at times (his sending off against Man Utd in the FA cup last season was truly abysmal on his part). An interesting statistic I picked up on the other day, was that apparenly 70% of hsi completed passes are back to the defence, which is pretty shockingly bad when you think about it. I still think he has the obvious attrubutes required to make a sucess of himself on the wing or back in defence (though Sagna is obviously a much better player) but....time may be up for him if he doesn't pull through soon.
Want another one? 0 goals and 1 assist last year as a specialist winger at a big club. Shocking stuff, seems very whimsical about when he bothers to track back and support the Bakster as well. Very meh player for me plus the added factor of being excrutiatingly embaressing.

That said I think the booing on Saturday was in part directed at Le Boss as much as it was against Eboue, forget the 4 passes in 5 mintes straight to Wigan players setting up juicy counter attacks, or the hilarious tackling of Kolo and passing straight to 3 Wigan players on the halfway line. If the squad was good enough then fwe wouldn't be seeing a converted right sided fullback coming back from 6 weeks weeks injury being thrown under the bus in a Premiership game on the left wing. Even more inexplicabl eis that there was a bonafide left winger in Vela on the bench sitting there and watching thi satrocity unfold.

Apologies for any horrific grammar I've shown so far tonight, just finished my Post grad today and am ridiculously hammered waiting for the rest of my mates who finish there's over the next few days to catch up.
 

sledger

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Want another one? 0 goals and 1 assist last year as a specialist winger at a big club. Shocking stuff, seems very whimsical about when he bothers to track back and support the Bakster as well. Very meh player for me plus the added factor of being excrutiatingly embaressing.

That said I think the booing on Saturday was in part directed at Le Boss as much as it was against Eboue, forget the 4 passes in 5 mintes straight to Wigan players setting up juicy counter attacks, or the hilarious tackling of Kolo and passing straight to 3 Wigan players on the halfway line. If the squad was good enough then fwe wouldn't be seeing a converted right sided fullback coming back from 6 weeks weeks injury being thrown under the bus in a Premiership game on the left wing. Even more inexplicabl eis that there was a bonafide left winger in Vela on the bench sitting there and watching thi satrocity unfold.

Apologies for any horrific grammar I've shown so far tonight, just finished my Post grad today and am ridiculously hammered waiting for the rest of my mates who finish there's over the next few days to catch up.
I can understand why Eboue was used, though I think it reflects more on the lack of options available than than Wenger himself. Putiing Vela on in a match like this when Arsenal needed to protect a slender lead against a team that were scrapping for all they were worth would probably not have been good for him, Eboue in theory should offer a bit of experience and a bit of defensive grit, obviously it didnt pan out this way, but I can see the logic behind the decision.
 

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I've suspected for a while that there might be problems with the Physio staff at Arsenal. How many times are we told "Gallas will be out for three weeks" or "Rosicky will be out for a month" only for them to spend five times as long on the sidelines, often after being rushed back too soon? Either there's a problem with their treatment of injuries, or they make massive errors with their diagnosis regularly, always erring on the short side.

Could just be that their players are ridiculously soft though.
 

Matteh

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Montpellier? ****s sake.

Lost me £6 because despite going down to 10 men in the 80th and it still being 0-0 in the 89th somehow got up 2-0.
 

sledger

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I've suspected for a while that there might be problems with the Physio staff at Arsenal. How many times are we told "Gallas will be out for three weeks" or "Rosicky will be out for a month" only for them to spend five times as long on the sidelines, often after being rushed back too soon? Either there's a problem with their treatment of injuries, or they make massive errors with their diagnosis regularly, always erring on the short side.

Could just be that their players are ridiculously soft though.
I would suggest it's the latter tbh, the Physio staff at Arsenal have a very good reputation, though obviously I have no real way of validating such a claim.
 

duffer

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AND FINALLY

England captain John Terry hogged the karaoke machine at Chelsea's Christmas party - bellowing out numbers by Luther Vandross, Biggie Smalls and Soulja Boy. (Daily Mirror)



Words cannot describe how horrific that would've been. Hope the victims of this atrocity can find a way to get over it and move forwards with their lives.
 

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