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Build-up to Indian Domestic Season 2008-09

Jonty Lathwal

U19 Debutant
Dhawal Kulkarni..been impressed with this guy throughout the IPL. And from what I heard bowled well in that emerging players tournament in Australia. He is only 19..and seems to have done well so far in his FC career.
Yeah impressed everyone in the IPL .....but did nothing much else .........

Good to see him bowl like this in the FC matches......which are the real tests for young bowlers like him....because T20 can be strange for them.:)

Actually he cam in the IPL from nowhere.........and made his FC debut after the IPL.....if I am correct..:)
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
This week's wrap of Ranji here. Extra coverage of Mahesh Rawat and Pathan brothers in this article, and a special mention of Ranadeb Bose here. We wonder, what happened to the idea of getting Muralitharan to play for Bengal?

No team looks like dominating this Ranji Trophy. Who has a chance? Maybe Mumbai or TN, in which case it will be Mumbai, with a better bowling attack. If Baroda have their full-strength team, they too stand a chance.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Good to see him bowl like this in the FC matches......which are the real tests for young bowlers like him....because T20 can be strange for them. :)
The IPL teams were significantly stronger than the Rajasthan and Hyderabad teams he played against. We'd get a clearer idea if he played against stroner batting sides like TN or Delhi- he struggled even against Saurashtra.
 
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Jonty Lathwal

U19 Debutant
This week's wrap of Ranji here. Extra coverage of Mahesh Rawat and Pathan brothers in this article, and a special mention of Ranadeb Bose here. We wonder, what happened to the idea of getting Muralitharan to play for Bengal?

No team looks like dominating this Ranji Trophy. Who has a chance? Maybe Mumbai or TN, in which case it will be Mumbai, with a better bowling attack. If Baroda have their full-strength team, they too stand a chance.
Yeah Murali was in Zimbabwe ........& only 1-2 matches are left for Bengal....so we should not expect him now.....beacuse he will go to Bangladesh & the series is starting from third week of this month.

Do you know if Dilhara Fernando (Baroda) & Enamul Haque (Karnataka) are playing???
 

Lambu

U19 Debutant
The IPL teams were significantly stronger than the Rajasthan and Hyderabad teams he played against. We'd get a clearer idea if he played against stroner batting sides like TN or Delhi- he struggled even against Saurashtra.
Awta,,we'll get a clear picture after two seasons. Looking forward to seeing him in IPL#2. I'll be disappointed if he hasn't made improvements from last year. He even got scholarship to train in Austraia for 6 weeks,i think.Must have gained something there.
 
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Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah Murali was in Zimbabwe ........& only 1-2 matches are left for Bengal....so we should not expect him now.....beacuse he will go to Bangladesh & the series is starting from third week of this month.

Do you know if Dilhara Fernando (Baroda) & Enamul Haque (Karnataka) are playing???
Dilhara Fernando was missing for some reason from the Baroda team. Enamul Haque Jr was picked to play for Maharashtra and has been a huge flop.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Awta,,we'll get a clear picture after two seasons. Looking forward to seeing him in IPL#2. I'll be disappointed if he hasn't made improvements from last year. He even got scholarship to train in Austraia for 6 weeks,i think.Must have gained something there.
That Border-Gavaskar scholarship has been granted to Avishkar Salvi (very promising young pacer whose career was cut short by injury), Rakesh Patel (now in ICL), Siddharth Trivedi, Munaf Patel and a few others, including a non-performing star-son. While it helps those players a lot, we wonder what improvement happens. Often, none of them add any pace. A cleaner action will add a little more pace and also reduce injuries, but we don't know if it's happened. Munaf Patel is a scholarship holder, but he's bowling very slowly these days. Talking of pace, rather than try to run another speedster-hunt (Mid-Day Race For Pace, Scorpio Speedster) or pick up some relatively unknown (and less successful) bowler and brand him a 'pace hope', why not work on building up pace of the existing bowlers? Zaheer, Irfan, Ishant and even Munaf are among the best pace bowlers in the country, and from the not-too-distant previous generation, there's Balaji. Surely they can benefit with extra pace?
 

Lambu

U19 Debutant
Munaf seems to have rediscovered himself ever since the SL tour. And also its not possible,by any means to develop the pace of bowlers(unless there are serious issues with his action) beyond a certain age(23-24 according to Wasim Akram).

We have seen bowlers who have improved their speeds in the recent past..Ishant,RP come to mind.They started off like what Kulkarni is now. RP when he came to the side as a 19 year old was bowling in the 120's.While Ishant in the low 130's. Undoubtedly they have gained a lot in ters of pace in their stint with Prasad/MRF acdemy coaches. The important thing is the bowler must be exposed to people who understand what needs to be done. I hope the youngster gets proper attention that he deserves..because his run-up action,use of the non-bowling arm etc .. are excellent.
 
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Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Surely if adding extra pace was so trivial, India would have several bowlers clocking 150?
What would you prefer? Zaheer Khan bowling with extra pace or some unknown bowler hyped up as a 'tearaway pace hope' playing for India? We've seen good bowlers miss the India berth because they lack pace, while absolute duds make the XI on the promise of pace. Lack of pace is a genuine problem and should be addressed.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
But it is not so simple to add pace to a bowler. Sure, there is always room for improvement, but implementing such changes are not easy. It is a long, arduous process not guaranteeed to have more than a subtle change.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Munaf seems to have rediscovered himself ever since the SL tour. And also its not possible,by any means to develop the pace of bowlers(unless there are serious issues with his action) beyond a certain age(23-24 according to Wasim Akram).

We have seen bowlers who have improved their speeds in the recent past..Ishant,RP come to mind.They started off like what Kulkarni is now. RP when he came to the side as a 19 year old was bowling in the 120's.While Ishant in the low 130's. Undoubtedly they have gained a lot in ters of pace in their stint with Prasad/MRF acdemy coaches. The important thing is the bowler must be exposed to people who understand what needs to be done. I hope the youngster gets proper attention that he deserves..because his run-up action,use of the non-bowling arm etc .. are excellent.
Munaf still appears to be well short of match-fit, and struggles to even pick up a ball in the outfield. Action tweaks haven't been explored too well out here, nor is much being done regarding fitness. A lot of pacers here don't appear to be fit or very athletic, and their shoddy fielding is evidence of that. Every tearaway pacer, we find, is a very effective fielder.

Besides, we find several top Indian pacers out of favour because they lack pace. Balaji is one of the finest swing bowlers around, but without pace, he can't run through teams consistently. Irfan's case is more unique- he's lost a lot of pace, particularly in 2005 and then 2006-07. Sreesanth used to touch the high 140s quite often, but he too is stuck in the 130 bracket, and appears to have issues with his action. Praveen Kumar and Gagandeep Singh are very deserving of a national call-up by their performances, but lack of pace holds them back. We find someone as obscure (and with little achievement) as Munaf Patel or VRV Singh getting an India cap because they're apparently faster. They need to make their best bowlers faster, rather than expecting supposedly faster bowlers to be better.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
But it is not so simple to add pace to a bowler. Sure, there is always room for improvement, but implementing such changes are not easy. It is a long, arduous process not guaranteeed to have more than a subtle change.
You have to have the right raw material to get the best results. We can't expect someone who's bowled consistently in the 120s to reach the Brett Lee/Shoaib Akhtar pace bracket. You have some bowlers who can bowl fast, but can't get it across consistently.
 

Lambu

U19 Debutant
^ All easier said than done though. And as I mentioned earlier its not possible to increase your pace beyond a certain age(24 according to Wasim Akram)..even up until that age it requires guidance from people who specialize in this field,which is again a rarity..

I don't have the stats..but i'm sure the average pace of youngsters in India(as in if you compare a 20 year old from 2003 with a 20 year old now) the pace is gradually increasing.That tells me that yes people have started realizing the worth pace bowling.Youngsters have exposure to infrastructure and sound advice now(though it still isn't as much as it should be). But like I said its a sign of progress.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
^ All easier said than done though. And as I mentioned earlier its not possible to increase your pace beyond a certain age(24 according to Wasim Akram)..even up until that age it requires guidance from people who specialize in this field,which is again a rarity..

I don't have the stats..but i'm sure the average pace of youngsters in India(as in if you compare a 20 year old from 2003 with a 20 year old now) the pace is gradually increasing.That tells me that yes people have started realizing the worth pace bowling.Youngsters have exposure to infrastructure and sound advice now(though it still isn't as much as it should be). But like I said its a sign of progress.
While we know that most pacers reach a steady pace at some age, we find several Indian pacers lose it, often permanently. We know how fast they are, on the day, and that needs to be harnessed. Biomechanical studies can do their bit in enhancing pace.

While many young pacers now are getting faster, they don't have the access to the facilities they need. Several small-town bowlers may actually bowl a lot faster than those in big cities. But the city folk can use these facilities, which are way beyond the reach of the small-town bowlers. Agarkar, for instance, can use these facilities to keep his fitness and pace high, bu we find someone like Munaf, without any fitness culture, bowl as fast initiall, but then lose it all. Likewise RP Singh and a few others.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Delhi selections are again riddled with nepotism. Someone named Vartik Tihara was picked for the squad, despite not scoring a century for his club. Reason? His father is a prominent DDCA official!

Vartik who? Never mind. He never got a game for Delhi, which, according to NDTV, is good news. This is not the first time it has happened. Amit Mishra, now a Test player, was initially sidelined by Delhi, so he migrated to Haryana. There have been other instances of player migration to other states or to Railways/Services. We heard of Chetanya Nanda, the new spinner from Delhi who's doing well for them. Once he was dropped to accommodate Yogesh Sachdeva, another son-of-a-DDCA-official pick. That move backfired and this was highlighted in the papers. It's an age-old problem, and it's not surprising that Delhi haven't won the Ranji Trophy too often.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
UP and Karnataka share honours on Day 1. Kumar and Chawla, both national prospects, have two wickets each as Karnataka ended at 277/6. Karnataka batsmen scored in bits and pieces, with Uthappa and Raghu scoring over 60.

Saurashtra are at 234 for nine against Delhi. Wickets have been split with two for Narwal, Awana taking four and one each for Nagar and Nanda. The Saurashtra batting have come crashing down to earth with no substantial score bar Ravi's score of 56.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Baroda blast out Tamil Nadu for 117 and finish at 124/5. Balaji picks up one wicket, while Yusuf Pathan is unbeaten on 31 but only bowled three overs. It's not such a good match for the stars in these teams.

Hyderabad and Punjab end Day One, even stevens. Opener Suman scores 131 while Shinde scores a 50.

Disappointing day for Railways, ending up all out for 212 against Maharashtra. Only Yere Goud puts up a reasonable score of 75. Maharashtra's Fallah takes five wickets.

Really bad day on the field for Mumbai, bowled out for 180 in 85.4 overs. Orissa's Basanth Mohanty took five and Debashish, three. Mumbai came back hard, with Kulkarni taking two and Waingankar taking one in just his second delivery in his comeback match.
 

Precambrian

Banned
Baroda blast out Tamil Nadu for 117 and finish at 124/5. Balaji picks up one wicket, while Yusuf Pathan is unbeaten on 31 but only bowled three overs. It's not such a good match for the stars in these teams.

Hyderabad and Punjab end Day One, even stevens. Opener Suman scores 131 while Shinde scores a 50.

Disappointing day for Railways, ending up all out for 212 against Maharashtra. Only Yere Goud puts up a reasonable score of 75. Maharashtra's Fallah takes five wickets.

Really bad day on the field for Mumbai, bowled out for 180 in 85.4 overs. Orissa's Basanth Mohanty took five and Debashish, three. Mumbai came back hard, with Kulkarni taking two and Waingankar taking one in just his second delivery in his comeback match.
Basant Mohanty. My money on this guy to earn atleast an India A call in the off season.
 

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