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[NZTailender]

I think theyre all around the 130-135 mark arent they. Sure , medium, medium quick, whatever you want to call it but I just dont think having all your pace bowlers around the same speed is a great idea. It would be good to have someone 10kph faster and who that is, I dont know, but I do know that Sherlock is about that speed, so him, Boult, or perhaps Bennett from Canterbury should be looked so the attack doesnt have the sameness about it.

Having someone who is quick doesn't equal wickets though, otherwise the WIndies would be the world's best because they have plenty of bowlers who can crank it up, but they're not accurate enough. There are very few bowlers in NZ, if any at all (right now), who can really turn it up and bowl accurately and consistently in the 140s.

I think a bowling attack of Franklin, Southee and Mills would be a good variation, with Martin or O'Brien swapping for Mills based on form.

Mills can get seam and swing, Southee swing, Franklin swing and a bit of seam, and is a leftie. But can see what you mean as in this current Test we have 3 right arm quicks with Martin and O'Brien being similar and Southee adding little when the ball isn't swinging.

 

[Johnners]

So, Ponting scoring for fun?

 

[Precambrian]

Ponting making full toll of this mediocre NZ attack. Ton up son.

 

[Rant0r]

i got the feeling he was/is going to ton up by the time he was 22, pitch is still a road, driving on the up, no sideways movement, he'll make 150 and break nz fans hearts.

average aussie score at adelaide since 1999 is like 496 or something... BORING, might find some hilights from an overseas tour

 

[Rant0r]

Having someone who is quick doesn't equal wickets though, otherwise the WIndies would be the world's best because they have plenty of bowlers who can crank it up, but they're not accurate enough. There are very few bowlers in NZ, if any at all (right now), who can really turn it up and bowl accurately and consistently in the 140s.

I think a bowling attack of Franklin, Southee and Mills would be a good variation, with Martin or O'Brien swapping for Mills based on form.

Mills can get seam and swing, Southee swing, Franklin swing and a bit of seam, and is a leftie. But can see what you mean as in this current Test we have 3 right arm quicks with Martin and O'Brien being similar and Southee adding little when the ball isn't swinging.

agreed

and as good as vettori is, i don't think you would lose sleep thinking of him running through a batting lineup, and i'd like to see mills crank it up a couple of k's as well, less time to adjust to the swing he gets

Boult will be a nice addition in 5-6 years.

why not blood him ? vettori was blooded, if he's talented enough, and this sherlock that everyone keeps talking about

Usain is.

hahaha

 

[Precambrian]

Daymn, it's one of the belters and we have Hussey going at a SR which would make Dravid (pre 99) proud.

 

[Matt52]

Having someone who is quick doesn't equal wickets though, .

but it doesnt hurt. Having a guy who is different from the guy bowling at the other end is a benefit though. And having a balanced attack with which you can change your attack at any stage of the game is a real benefit.

If you have a stock bowler who can keep the runs down, like Oram, A left armer who changes the angle like Franklin, A right arm swing bowler who can take advantage of swinging conditions, A good spinner, and then a fast bowler to run in and bowl yorkers and bouncers and change things up or try and scare a few tailenders or take advantage of seaming conditions then you have an attack for all conditions, and test the batsman in different ways.

Its not about a fast bowler coming in and getting a lot of wickets himself, its about getting a balanced attack with which the team may pick up more wickets because the more types of bowlers you have the more you can change your tactics at any time to suit the conditions or game situation and the more the batsman has to think.

 

[NZTailender]

yes, I think everyone understands that, but it doesnt hurt. Having a guy who is different from the guy bowling at the other end is a benefit though. And having a balanced attack with which you can change your attack at any stage of the game is a real benefit.

If you have a stock bowler who can keep the runs down, like Oram, A left armer who changes the angle like Franklin, A right arm swing bowler who can take advantage of swinging conditions, A good spinner, and then a fast bowler to run in and bowl yorkers and bouncers and change things up or try and scare a few tailenders or take advantage of seaming conditions then you have an attack for all conditions, and test the batsman in different ways.

Its not about a fast bowler coming in and getting a lot of wickets himself, its about getting a balanced attack with which the team may pick up more wickets because the more types of bowlers you have the more you can change your tactics at any time to suit the conditions or game situation and the more the batsman has to think.

Don't really agree with this. Express bowlers who offer nothing other than sheer pace often let off pressure through inaccurate bowling resulting in byes, or stuff that's pitched up in a jaffa zone - the quicker the ball is bowled the quicker it goes to the boundary. See Shaun Tait.

Having an out and out fast bowler who is there just for that won't make our bowling attack any better IMO. We should play our best bowlers no matter what. There are no Bond-fast bowlers in NZ who are better than Southee, Mills, Franklin, Martin or O'Brien.

 

[Matt52]

. See Shaun Tait.

There are no Bond-fast bowlers in NZ who are better than Southee, Mills, Franklin, Martin or O'Brien.

Shaun Tait.. 18 ODI matches, average; 23.45.

Shaun Tait would have been handy in the NZ side. Sherlock is an ex NZ under 19 player who was seen as a good hope for NZ cricket in the future. the only reason you havent seen more of him is that hes had so many injuries. Hes aready played for NZA a few years ago (before injuries), so hes not a rubbish bowler who just bowls fast, he was seen as a decent prospect as a younger man before his injuries. I guess who is better than who is a subjective choice but I would hope he can stay injury free and put up some good domestic numbers, and get in the side cause I think he'll be more useful in international cricket than MArtin, OBrien or Mills. Not that those guys are bad, just that A good fast bowler would add so much to the NZ side IMO.

 

[Precambrian]

Vettori : For over-rates.

 

[NZTailender]

Shaun Tait.. 18 ODI matches, average; 23.45.

ODIs are not Tests, though. Requires quite different bowling and batting tactics, so players who don't do too great in Tests pick up more wickets in ODIs because of the format.

 

[Precambrian]

ODIs are not Tests, though. Requires quite different bowling and batting tactics, so players who don't do too great in Tests pick up more wickets in ODIs because of the format.

Nathan Bracken.

 

[NZTailender]

Nathan Bracken.

Brett Lee up until recently. Ajit Agarker too.

 

[Rant0r]

fvck i hate it when bracken bowls those cutters ball after ball, MIGHT AS WELL HAVE PICKED A SPINNER.... PANSY GET A HAIRCUT

 

[Precambrian]

Brett Lee up until recently. Ajit Agarker too.

Agarkar's figures look better because the fella did extremely well in the early phase of his career. Hardly had any control, and had most of his wickets getting the batters hit out. His economy rate meant he was never really ODI class.

 

[Precambrian]

Seriously, what the heck is Huss doing?? Hopefully he jacks up the SR sooner than later.

 

[Rant0r]

that was lucky

bit if a send off aparently, tell you're story walking pal

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

OMG, Just turned the TV on hoping McCullum & Vettori would still be in & came back to the worst possible outcome.

Same, but wasn't surprised, tbh.

 

[Precambrian]

Got 'im!!

 

[thierry henry]

lol I can't believe Ponting got out in the same boneheaded way that our crap batsmen did