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Should Matthew Hayden retire?

Should Matthew Hayden retire?


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archie mac

International Coach
When I said 'we' , I mean Cricket fans here on CW and beyond. How would you like others to be talking about your retirement ?

Hayden's retirement should be his decision, If his performance drops, he should be dropped but the retirement is his decision.
While I agree with the basis of your post, it should be remembered that this is a forum about cricket, and a place for people to give their opinions, it happened with Steve and Mark Waugh, Warne and just lately the Indian players. Not sure why you are so worried?:)
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
When I said 'we' , I mean Cricket fans here on CW and beyond. How would you like others to be talking about your retirement ?

Hayden's retirement should be his decision, If his performance drops, he should be dropped but the retirement is his decision.
Him retiring will be his decision, ultimately, unless he gets dropped. He wouldn't get dropped unless he deserved it, so retiring will be his decision. We're not disputing that. We're talking about when he should make the decision.
 

Rant0r

International 12th Man
Not again !!! So we get to decide If Hayden should retire or not ?
why not, we the general public pay his wage, he should be stood up before a public forum and be stoned for his failures.... or is that pakistan ?
 

irfan

State Captain
Hayden will go out on his own terms. The selectors wouldn't have the guts to tell him his time is up and who could blame them? I wouldn't want to pick a fight with a grizzly bear either.
 

Uppercut

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When I said 'we' , I mean Cricket fans here on CW and beyond. How would you like others to be talking about your retirement ?

Hayden's retirement should be his decision, If his performance drops, he should be dropped but the retirement is his decision.
Actually i completely agree with this. Retirement is anything but a cricketing decision, a lot of players do it to spend more time with their family, or pursue other interests. Others do it because their body or mind doesn't feel up to playing test cricket and what goes with it. I can't imagine anyone ever says "oh i'm **** now, time to retire." The real question should be whether he should be dropped.
 

luffy

International Captain
It would be disapointing if he did retire or get dropped, but the point is, his form hasn't been up to scratch.

We need an opener who can stick out there and lay a platform for all the other batters.
 

The_Bunny

State Regular
It would be disapointing if he did retire or get dropped, but the point is, his form hasn't been up to scratch.

We need an opener who can stick out there and lay a platform for all the other batters.
Bit Ott
Hayden averages 44 since the begining of last summer.
Mediocre vs SL, averaged 33 or close to it
Best bat vs India in Aus
Poor at the start of the India tour, including a bit of bad luck, but pulled it back towards the end.
Poor game this test.
Fail to see how that warrants dropping :unsure:
 

Precambrian

Banned
Bit Ott
Hayden averages 44 since the begining of last summer.
Mediocre vs SL, averaged 33 or close to it
Best bat vs India in Aus
Poor at the start of the India tour, including a bit of bad luck, but pulled it back towards the end.
Poor game this test.
Fail to see how that warrants dropping :unsure:
Hayden did nothing of note in India except one innings when the test match was literally lost. Another 80 odd he made in Delhi was on a flat deck and had no overall bearing on the result.

As I say, I'd wait till this series (assuming I've the capacity to tonk around with his future in Australian team), before taking a drop or retain decision. IF he averages less than. say, 30-35, then he's got a point to prove.
 
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Rant0r

International 12th Man
he will go to england, i'm pretty sure of that, wether he should or not is another story, i'd say that will be it, and he can go and make some more crappy cooking videos/books
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
I'd say it's his choice, to echo Sanz & uppercut. If he feels he still has something to offer (and I suspect a man of his obvious ego would) it's his right to go on, even if popular opinion suggests he's on the downward slide.

If he isn't performing tho the selectors should have the balls to get rid, regardless of what has gone before. A test spot should never be a sinecure.

As an aside I don't really buy the "retire or be dropped" option as a public fig-leaf either. Does anyone really think, say, Lara or SR Waugh would've gone when they if they weren't being leaned on?
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
True. Players in general aren't good at planning their retirements. Mitigating circumstances are usually required. I'm not entirely knowledgable of the circumstances in which Shaun Pollock retired, but my guess is he was the last major player to call it a day based purely on his performances?
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
True. Players in general aren't good at planning their retirements. Mitigating circumstances are usually required. I'm not entirely knowledgable of the circumstances in which Shaun Pollock retired, but my guess is he was the last major player to call it a day based purely on his performances?
I suspect that even with Polly there was an element of him going before he was dropped. He hadn't played in the first two tests of the Windies tour in 07/08, was recalled for the third &, if memory serves, announced his retirement more or less straightaway after. Could've just been coincidence I suppose.
 

Precambrian

Banned
True. Players in general aren't good at planning their retirements. Mitigating circumstances are usually required. I'm not entirely knowledgable of the circumstances in which Shaun Pollock retired, but my guess is he was the last major player to call it a day based purely on his performances?
Brilliant timing. Quit when he was just starting to slide off the top. Rankings suffice.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Players in general aren't good at planning their retirements.
Of course they're not, that's because it's impossible to know beyond all doubt when the best time is. Ideally you'd want to retire without anything left in the tank (ie, you've performed well for as long as you can do) and without having played so much as 1 game with nothing left in the tank.

However, there is no way (and I don't mean it's almost impossible, I mean it's completely impossible) to know when this is. You've 2 choices: you can retire before risking going past this point (this is the option I'd take every time and I always prefer to see players I like taking it); or you can keep playing and playing and wait and see when the point arrives, and either pack it in or wait to be nudged when you've found it's arrived.

A batsman who plays 7 Tests at the end of his career and averages 23 is no use to anyone - himself or the team. It'd have been best for both himself and the team if he'd not played those games. However, there's absolutely no surefire way to guard against this happening - apart from retiring before it does and risking losing-out on 15 games where you might've averaged 43 had you played them.

As regards Hayden, I'd prefer to see him go on for as long as possible doing as poorly as possible, because I don't consider he's all that good and the lower his career average at the end, the better to my mind. Every innings Hayden plays I always hope he's out as cheaply as possible.

Right now, incidentally, there's zero case for him to be dropped and I'd not say there would be until the end of the SA series (home leg) at the earliest. And it's been thought several times before now that Hayden's run-scoring has stopped, but as long as there are flat pitches and a non-swinging ball, I personally would never want to bet on it having stopped for good.
 

Rant0r

International 12th Man
No The General Public doesn't pay his wages.
cricket australia and the cricket academy is a government funded organisation (taxpayers dollars), supplemented by the gate takings (general public dollars) , advertising revenue(to the general public) and merchandise (sold to the fans... who i believe, are the general public)
 

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