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honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
pup11 said:
I have a problem with the line as it hardly allows the batsmen to even put bat to ball, it would still be bearable, but once a team also blocks every possible gap on one side of the field, then that doesn't leave the batsmen with many options, its been done in the past but i think a full-stop should be put to such tactics and whoever bowls such crap way outside off with such fields should be wided imo.
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it is very simple.. When the ball is wide outside off, it is still possible to be able to hit it with reasonable degree of control with certain changes to the way one plays.. HOwever, it is not possible when the ball is outside leg stump.



And about plugging all gaps in the field... No way, Jose.. As the cricinfo bulletin guy said, had Zak and Ishant bowled anything short there was a gap there between squarish third man and the deep sweeper cover and a powerful cut could have always pierced it. Gambhir had precisely found the same gap a couple of times and so have guys like Hayden in the past...



It was not just as if India put 8 guys on the offside and just ran in and bowled dribble well wide of offstump and got away with it. Their length was immaculate and the number of times they drew false shots and pokes are testimony to it.



I see you are frustrated about how the day went for Australia but believe me, there were aspects of good bowling and intentless batting here that contributed to the run rate as much as the 8-1 field and the outside offstump line.


Heck, Zak was bowling the same line as McGrath does to right handers, maybe two stumps wider but that was about it. Are you seriously saying the Aussie batsmen cannot play those balls at all??????
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
pup11 said:
I have a problem with the line as it hardly allows the batsmen to even put bat to ball, it would still be bearable, but once a team also blocks every possible gap on one side of the field, then that doesn't leave the batsmen with many options, its been done in the past but i think a full-stop should be put to such tactics and whoever bowls such crap way outside off with such fields should be wided imo.
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Except this tactic wouldn't work without accurate bowling. Even a couple of strays could be very costly. It's fair enough.
 
Matt79

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
No problem with India's bowling plan today. You can argue its defensive and draw-oriented, but in their defence, a) that's a legal and legitimate choice they can make, and b) its been shown that the Aussie line up will sometimes lose their concentration and resolve when being stifled and get themselves out, so it's a legitimate plan to produce a wicket against us IMO.

Saddened we couldn't make more of this slight opportunity to gain the ascendency.
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
honestbharani said:
why is it difficult for an offie to get a RHB LBW from around the wicket????


I thought it was the more sure shot way of doing it than from over the wicket, where you will mostly be hitting the pad outside the line of off stump.
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Unless it strikes the batsman flush in front there's too much guess work involved. Obviously the natural shape is going to be taking the ball away from the stumps, so if a batsman gets a good stride in he'd consider himself unlucky indeed.
 
Lambu

Lambu

U19 Debutant
Now the aussie fans realize what we feel like when Johnson is into one of those long spells of his!!
 
Woodster

Woodster

International Captain
The tactics India employed today, from what I saw, do not necessarily make for entertaining cricket, although thoroughly understandable tactics. They knew Australia will want to push the run rate along, so by bowling the lines they bowled, they knew that the Aussies would have to take the odd chance, going in the air, hitting across the line etc, should they want a boundary. Having plans is one thing, but you still need skilled bowlers to carry this out, so for that, credit to Sharma and Zaheer, despite it reducing their wicket-taking threat.

In the opening session, Hussey and Katich seemed intent on being patient, barring Katich's wide slash resulting in Dravid dropping a comfortable chance by his standards. Yet their patience was not rewarded as they could not force their game on India as time progressed.

Advantage India.
 
Johnners

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
honestbharani said:
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/indvaus2008/content/current/story/377383.html



More drivel from Ponting......




I understand the guy is not someone who will tell lies on purpose but he has to realize that all he has going for him is the word of Michael Clarke, the guy who claims one bounce catches...... 8-)
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How exactly is it drivel ffs? He's written in his tour diary his recollections of what went on that day. Why even bring this **** up? I swear some people on this forum do nothing but actively seek out articles which they can possibly construe as some sort of negative against Ponting.
 
krkode

krkode

State Captain
Clapo said:
How exactly is it drivel ffs? He's written in his tour diary his recollections of what went on that day. Why even bring this **** up? I swear some people on this forum do nothing but actively seek out articles which they can possibly construe as some sort of negative against Ponting.
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He probably brought it up because there was an article on Cricinfo about it posted today.

But yeah, frankly, I don't see why Cricinfo had to bring it up, either.
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Matt79 said:
No problem with India's bowling plan today. You can argue its defensive and draw-oriented, but in their defence, a) that's a legal and legitimate choice they can make, and b) its been shown that the Aussie line up will sometimes lose their concentration and resolve when being stifled and get themselves out, so it's a legitimate plan to produce a wicket against us IMO.
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And c) it worked. It annoyed me when Giles did it to Tendulkar. But guess what - it worked and that's fair enough. I'd be happy if I was an English fan. It's good cricket.

Obviously they changed the rule, and if they do it here, I'd disagree.
 
Cevno

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
honestbharani said:
Australia did the same to New Zealand back in 1999 in Australia when they were looking for quick runs. If I am not mistaken, the umpires had the option to wide them if it was negative bowling even then... But they never did it. If they suddenly start to do this stuff now, it will spark a huge reaction... Need some kind of clearer legislation on this, esp. since it is a lot easier to hit balls outside off than balls outside leg...
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iF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY DURING THE 2001 series in the clacutta test ,mcgrath was bowling so wide with a packed offside field to VVS laxman it was untrue.
Ultimately the umpire had to call a wide after some overs,but the aussies still continued to bowl wide outside off stump.

Even in the current tour,the aussies to stifle dravid employed similar tactics,which paid off largely.
Even in the previous tour of australia ,such negative tactics wer employed against sachin when he was struggling with the cover drives.Until the sydeny test where they were made to change their tactics as tendulkar refused to play those balls and grinded his way to 241.
 
Johnners

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
silentstriker said:
And c) it worked. It annoyed me when Giles did it to Tendulkar. But guess what - it worked and that's fair enough. I'd be happy if I was an English fan. It's good cricket.

Obviously they changed the rule, and if they do it here, I'd disagree.
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That bit there is debatable. Effective? Yes. Good? It's certainly not good FOR the game afaic. One of my few poor memories of the 06/07 Ashes was Warne bowling outside leg-stump to KP, it's not the sort of thing we want to see when Test Cricket is facing it's toughest battle yet trying to attract people to game.
 
krkode

krkode

State Captain
Clapo said:
That bit there is debatable. Effective? Yes. Good? It's certainly not good FOR the game afaic. One of my few poor memories of the 06/07 Ashes was Warne bowling outside leg-stump to KP, it's not the sort of thing we want to see when Test Cricket is facing it's toughest battle yet trying to attract people to game.
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It's unfortunate because I feel like test cricket is the most tactically involved form of cricket and yet people basically want to see the same stuff you get in 20-20 and ODI cricket, i.e. more runs, faster scoring rate, big centuries, etc.

Although, having more result-oriented test cricket is definitely a must to make it fun to watch, I think there's a world of difference between gunning for a draw and frustrating the opponent into losing patience and making thereby forcing him to make a tactical mistake that costs him the game.
 
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