This Krejza kid

[FaaipDeOiad]

Absolutely no reason to presume that. Economy-rate and strike-rate are not two negatively-correlated things.

Especially with spinners, whose can attack only under certain circumstances. With certain types of seamers, there is some amount of give-runs-away-take-wickets payoff.

Okay, so a better bowler would have conceded fewer runs. Excellent job pointing out the obvious. Superman would of course never have conceded a run, and would have taken the wickets quicker as well.

Nevertheless, Krezja could have reacted to being hit around by bowling more defensively in an effort to dry up the runs, and probably wouldn't have taken eight wickets if he did. Nobody is claiming it's a performance for the ages or anything, but it's ridiculous to look at a guy who took 8 when nobody else took wickets and criticise them for being expensive. You win test matches by taking wickets, and the fact that he kept bowling in an attacking manner while going for runs is why Australia could still win this test.

You can bet that next time around, India will show him more respect, and you probably won't see him going for 5 an over.

 

[andruid]

Food 4 thought.if Krezja was poor taking 8/215 what does it say for the rest of the Aussie attack who cumulatively took 2/226?

 

[Langeveldt]

Okay, so a better bowler would have conceded fewer runs. Excellent job pointing out the obvious. Superman would of course never have conceded a run, and would have taken the wickets quicker as well.

Nevertheless, Krezja could have reacted to being hit around by bowling more defensively in an effort to dry up the runs, and probably wouldn't have taken eight wickets if he did. Nobody is claiming it's a performance for the ages or anything, but it's ridiculous to look at a guy who took 8 when nobody else took wickets and criticise them for being expensive. You win test matches by taking wickets, and the fact that he kept bowling in an attacking manner while going for runs is why Australia could still win this test.

You can bet that next time around, India will show him more respect, and you probably won't see him going for 5 an over.

True, but to be honest I'm more concerned that a frontline spinner has an FC bowling average of 50.. Perhaps he will be the equivalent of a Michael Vaughan who looks so much more comfortable at the highest level than he does in FC

 

[G.I.Joe]

Who cares though? If he were to have a better economy-rate he probably would have struck much slower. At wickets at about 33 balls per wicket is excellent, and the time is just as valuable as the runs given. And the runs given were 26 per wicket. No down-side to it from me.

Spot on. If there were two bowlers who took 4/108 each, they'd have been praised for a job well done. As it turns out, he's done both jobs. Who cares about the ER, its not an ODI, as you say a SR of 33 means he's given his team plenty of time to force a win.

8/215 vs 2/226 says it all really.

 

[Midwinter]

As Warwick Armstrong said to Arthur Mailey, who had just bowled a string of maidens.

"I don't care if you can bowl maidens, I want someone who can take wickets "

 

[pup11]

Does he really have that carrom ball doosra that was being talked about before the start of the series, if he does he better unleash it in the 2nd innings, as i think he wouldn't find it too easy to pick wickets the second time around.

 

[Precambrian]

Does he really have that carrom ball doosra that was being talked about before the start of the series, if he does he better unleash it in the 2nd innings, as i think he wouldn't find it too easy to pick wickets the second time around.

I'll be glad if he bowls anything other than the stock offspinner. Not that he has done a bad job though.

 

[Rant0r]

I must say after he copped a flogging at the hands of an Indian second or third team i would have rathered them go with lee, johnson, clark siddle/bollinger and trundle with clarke and/or katich.. certainly not white (the worst legspinner ever) but he appears to have done well, not having seen him bowl much.

kudos to him for (reportedly) keeping on throwing it up, and he doesn't throw in the towel, but if australia thought they would have india out for 441 then they would have taken that, and no one else looked like getting wickets, he got out sehwag (debatably he may have contributed), dravid, laxman, ganguly, and got a bit lucky with dhoni, and had tendulkar dropped twice. that's 5 top order batsmen who were set, no mean feat, you can't tell me warne never got anyone out with luck, or cleaned up the tail as krejza did, someone has to take them.

As for his longevity in the game, i'm not too sure. the australian domestic scene is a hard hunting ground for spinners, flat pitches and good batsmen make it hard, remember warne being plucked from relative obscurity to play ? and in fact his domestic record wasn't as good as his international, neither was macgill's or hogg's towards the end. so picking someone on talent alone may have merits, who that is is also debatable, cullen, casson, heal, bailey, mcgain could all go well if given a chance... not cameron white.

offspinners generally guile batsmen out with more sublte variations anyway, so i don't think he really needs a 'carrom ball' or a doosra.. variations in speed, flight, drift, line, spin and bounce can get the best batsmen out anyway, it is only relatively recently through saqlain, murali and harbhajan that the doosra has become a fad.

good on him though, they could have made 600 is he didn't keep coming at them, they certainly tried to dent his confidence though and it would have been easy for him to crawl into a little ball.

 

[Richard]

Okay, so a better bowler would have conceded fewer runs. Excellent job pointing out the obvious. Superman would of course never have conceded a run, and would have taken the wickets quicker as well.

Nevertheless, Krezja could have reacted to being hit around by bowling more defensively in an effort to dry up the runs, and probably wouldn't have taken eight wickets if he did. Nobody is claiming it's a performance for the ages or anything, but it's ridiculous to look at a guy who took 8 when nobody else took wickets and criticise them for being expensive. You win test matches by taking wickets, and the fact that he kept bowling in an attacking manner while going for runs is why Australia could still win this test.

So taking 5 for 15 when the lower-order and tail are going for quick runs is an impressive performance - in any way - now? Well whoopdedoo.

If he'd been knocking them over at a constant rate through the innings there might just be some merit in what you say, but he wasn't. He got wickets only at the end, which made terrible figures look pretty good.

 

[Swervy]

So taking 5 for 15 when the lower-order and tail are going for quick runs is an impressive performance - in any way - now? Well whoopdedoo.

If he'd been knocking them over at a constant rate through the innings there might just be some merit in what you say, but he wasn't. He got wickets only at the end, which made terrible figures look pretty good.

well yeah it is still impressive, looking for quick runs doesnt mean just throwing wickets away for the sake of it.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Not sure how you can only get wickets at the end when you took 80% of the ones available, as well as having one of the other 2 dropped twice.

 

[BoyBrumby]

It beggars belief sometimes, does Dicko's refusal to give due credit.

The only argument for mine is: do you think Krejza is a better test bowler than White? If one answers in the affirmative there's no debate until another Shane Warne comes through the ranks.

 

[Richard]

It beggars belief sometimes, does Dicko's refusal to give due credit.

Almost as much as some people's inability to stop commenting on people on their ignore-lists.

The only argument for mine is: do you think Krejza is a better test bowler than White? If one answers in the affirmative there's no debate until another Shane Warne comes through the ranks.

No, there's "do you think Krejza is better than Noffke, Siddle, Bollinger, Johnson, Tait, Hilfenhaus etc." which is actually rather important.

The answer is "no" to every single one of the above.

 

[Richard]

well yeah it is still impressive, looking for quick runs doesnt mean just throwing wickets away for the sake of it.

Funny how often it resembles it actually, but no, being gifted 5 end-of-innings wickets, while obviously better than not having them at all, doesn't deserve any great credit.

 

[Swervy]

Not sure how you can only get wickets at the end when you took 80% of the ones available, as well as having one of the other 2 dropped twice.

you can in a world where McGrath was a lucky bowler!!!!

Its called Planet Richard

 

[pup11]

Almost as much as some people's inability to stop commenting on people on their ignore-lists.

No, there's "do you think Krejza is better than Noffke, Siddle, Bollinger, Johnson, Tait, Hilfenhaus etc." which is actually rather important.

The answer is "no" to every single one of the above.

Tbh can't see Noffke, Siddle, Bollinger and Tait, Hilfenhaus may do well even in India as he takes wicket on that Hobart pitch so he can pretty much take wickets anywhere, but can't see any of the others you mentioned taking too many wickets in Indian conditions.

Krejza is not some great spinner in the making, but he has got the heart to be a decent spinner in the coming years given he does some serious work on his bowling, and i think that is what most people around here are saying, can't see how anyone can argue against that.

 

[pup11]

Funny how often it resembles it actually, but no, being gifted 5 end-of-innings wickets, while obviously better than not having them at all, doesn't deserve any great credit.

Ganguly batting on 85, and Dhoni batting on 56 at the time when they got out are far from gifted wickets, he got these batsmen out with some good bowling and you can't take that credit away from him, Zaheer, Mishra and Sharma are tailenders but you still gotta get them out, and as much as it hurts to say as an Aussie fan none of the other bowlers looked capable of getting even them out, but Krezja bamboozled these tailenders with flight and turn and got their wickets, so credit should go to him there, if a guy after being spanked for so many runs still is willing to toss it up and give the ball air, then he should be commended imo.

 

[Richard]

you can in a world where McGrath was a lucky bowler!!!!

Its called Planet Richard

No it's not, because the "McGrath is lucky" stuff was said by other people, not me.

 

[krkode]

Watch out for the new Muralitharan!

 

[Manee]

Krejza chucks it