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***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh
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Flem274*
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I might just sig that. Bahnz whats happened? I would have thought you'd be joining in the misery mate, don't join the rest of us on the dark side, who will I argue with now?
Bahnz
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Being a pessimist is a subtle art. But even then my comment was a reflection on how I view our chances. I knew we never had a chance to win a match in 2 days, so I didn't bother getting up in arms about anyone's performance. Polo's problem is that he expects too much and often winds up flying off the handle win things don't turn out as he hoped. I NEVER make that mistake. Which means that once in a blue moon I get a nice surprise (like in the Hamilton test), and the rest of the time I'm happily anesthetized from the pain and humiliation that our test cricket team regularly dolls up.
I might just sig that. Bahnz whats happened? I would have thought you'd be joining in the misery mate, don't join the rest of us on the dark side, who will I argue with now?
Speaking of which, I'm going out on a limb and am prepared to say we won't win a single test this summer. Yes, I think even the West Indies now have enough in the tank to best us. The batting is simply too indisciplined to have a hope of consistently putting up the 300+ totals needed to win test matches. The performance of our
In other news, Oram's out of the tour to Australia. I don't honestly see the point of picking someone like Grant Elliot for the series. We should just go for a specialist batsman, maybe Peter Fulton at number 3, to bolster our paper thin batting. Jesse Ryder will do no worse as a part-time seamer.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
The performance of our...?
Anyway, I will agree with you here. Before the Bangladesh series I would've said we'd overcome the WIndies with little or no problems, given the reasonable showing our inexperienced side did against England.
However now the technical deficiencies of our batsmen have become more and more apparent, as our top order looks shakier than ever without the Flemeister at 3/4.
I think, on paper, we'd have the better bowling attack due mainly to experience.
We've got the better spinners, no question. However the pace attacks are interesting ones.
On our side we have somewhat more accurate, line and length bowlers like Mills, Martin, O'Brien and Mason. The WIndies have Sammy in this respect, with Bravo have a foot in both camps, the second camp being one of pace.
The WIndies definitely have the faster bowlers, who you would describe as erratic strike bowlers, who can be dangerous but just as equally wayward and easy to score off. Given our seam friendly pitches and weather, we could see some interesting seam and swing bowling on display this summer from both sides.
On our side, we have Mark Gillespie in this discipline. Capable of cranking the speed up, take wickets but can also be woeful. We have an exciting prospect who can, like Bravo, claim to have a foot in both accurate and express camps - Tim Southee. Regardless of how our seamers go in Australia I think it's vital, not only for our sides chances, that Southee play vs. the Windies to continue to develop and hone his skills. No offence intended to the WIndians but we should be aiming to get our guys fit and in match form in time for the biggest test of our home games - India.
That's not to say they won't be tested against the WIndies. The bowlers will be up against two guys who I rank better than anyone in our team in the form of Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Ramnaresh Sarwan. Throw in Dwayne Bravo and we have a middle order that will be tough to get past. Apart from those three and Gayle, the WIndies batting is just as inexperienced as our guys, so it'll be interesting to see who steps up and performs for them in terms of their batting rookies (Marshall, Nash, Johnson and Chattergoon).
I tend to agree with this. I think we should pick a specialist batsman to replace Oram as opposed to Elliott. We have more than enough 'handy' batsmen in Mills and Vettori down the order, and given our shaky, young top order Fulton would IMO be perfect to bring in and bat at 3, with Ryder dropping to five.
I continue to be undecided about Flynn. At this stage he doesn't deserve to be dropped, I guess (average of 38), so if he can continue to not only grind out runs, but show us some of his stroke making ability that people say he has, then I'll definitely be pleased. And Ryder can indeed fill in the part time seamer role.
Bahnz, you are a fool. You think I went flying off the handle when we didn't shot more intent in that second test match? Mate, you have no idea what "flying off the handle" means. Also, I am going to support my team and expect us to do well whatever the situation and whoever we are playing against, if we don't do well, I will critisise, but i'll never stop supporting them. If you have a problem, feel free to leave.
Agree that we should replace Oram with a batsman. Peter Fulton would be the obvious choice, but someone like Neil Broom might not be a bad idea either, he could also provide a few overs.
Agree that we should replace Oram with a batsman. Peter Fulton would be the obvious choice, but someone like Neil Broom might not be a bad idea either, he could also provide a few overs.
Bahnz
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Flem274*
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Please no more Cumming/Sinclair/Papps/Bell cycle.
However please bring back Peter Fulton and bat him in a sensible position, don't place him at six in ODIs or opening in tests. He's the best number three in the country bar Sinclair, who is too fustrating to use in internationals now.
That was a beautiful reaction though, and understandable. However I expect a big improvement in the batting once we leave the subcontinent because this lot have only really played the majority of their cricket in NZ and on development tours to Australia.
However please bring back Peter Fulton and bat him in a sensible position, don't place him at six in ODIs or opening in tests. He's the best number three in the country bar Sinclair, who is too fustrating to use in internationals now.
That was a beautiful reaction though, and understandable. However I expect a big improvement in the batting once we leave the subcontinent because this lot have only really played the majority of their cricket in NZ and on development tours to Australia.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Have to actually agree with Polo about Cumming being dropped though. Mind you, it did bring about Jamie How in that England series, and you couldn't really drop Bell after his return hundred. Would be happy to see How-Cumming if Redmond gets dropped.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
You filthy perv!Oh, if you were talking about that then yes, I did fly off the handle. But it seemed to me like you were talking about me critisising their approach in the second test.
Ahem.
Anyway, i'm surprised you have a problem with someone flying off the handle when we came so close to losing that first test...I think it was well warranted critisism.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Totally forgot about his injury. I faaaail.
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No, he played the Bangladesh home series after that injury.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Haha true, my memory is worse than I thought.
Flem274*
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The issue with Papps, Cumming and Bell is not that they don't have the ability. I believe all three are test class in terms of their reflexes. However Cumming gets out to LBWs and Bell has very little technique at all. Then there's Papps, who granted has had to face his bogey team a zillion times but they have exposed him. Technical issues plague our openers, and thank God How has some semblence of a technique, not just relying on his eyes alone.
If any of the three tidy themselves up and get some form that warrants a call up and an incumbent is playing ****, I'd be quite happy. Unfortunately I don't think it will pan out that way.
If any of the three tidy themselves up and get some form that warrants a call up and an incumbent is playing ****, I'd be quite happy. Unfortunately I don't think it will pan out that way.
They all indeed did have technical issues. Bell was by far the worst.
Cumming wasn't too bad, his only problem was he played around his front pad which meant he kept getting out lbw, that isn't a MAJOR technical flaw, and can be sorted out with relative ease. I'd be surprised if he hadnt worked on it and sorted it already.
Cumming wasn't too bad, his only problem was he played around his front pad which meant he kept getting out lbw, that isn't a MAJOR technical flaw, and can be sorted out with relative ease. I'd be surprised if he hadnt worked on it and sorted it already.
Flem274*
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Cheers. Whats with theWelcome back Phlegm.
?Was that you outside my bedroom window last night?