Warne or Mcgrath the bigger loss?

[subshakerz]

Though I feel McGrath was comfortably the better bowler, I feel Warne's role and skills were unique and his loss is greater.

 

[G.I.Joe]

What is it they say? The most sensitive organ when you're doing it is your ears?

Only applies to your parents' place.

 

[Top_Cat]

Only applies to your parents' place.

Wow, with a dry cool wit like that you could be an action hero.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Wow, with a dry cool wit like that you could be an action hero.

Or someone who remembers a joke in its entirety:

What is the most sensitive organ when you're jerking off at your parents place?

Your ears.

 

[Richard]

I thought he was referring to Harmison.

If he was (and I presume he was, though not sure), then the above comment was in jest.

You've not read it yet I presume, but I've never, ever thought much of Harmison's bowling and still don't.

 

[GIMH]

Nah, as I've said, Hoggard isn't forgotten by me, but it's pretty plain he'll never play for England again, whoever doesn't like that fact.

I thought he was referring to Harmison.

Yep, as Rich has said, I was pulling his leg and he responded in the expected nonchalant fashion

 

[Jono]

Well, how many of his replacements are averaging 18 with the ball in India? White, on the other hand, is averaging close to 50 in India.

I laughed at that one.

 

[Jakester1288]

Whilst it's been touched on, I will say it again.

McGrath was a great bowler, but had Clark, Lee, Johnson (improving) and Bollinger, Noffke, Hilfenhaus etc all to replace him. Warne has Cullen, Casson, Hauritz etc, who are all fairly dire. It's obviously to me who Australia felt most when we lost them, and that's Warne.

 

[morgieb]

Exactly. Clark, Lee, Johnson, Bollinger, Siddle, Tait & Magoffin are are pretty good seamers. McGain's our only good spinner, and he's injured.

 

[Jakester1288]

Exactly. Clark, Lee, Johnson, Bollinger, Siddle, Tait & Magoffin are are pretty good seamers. McGain's our only good spinner, and he's injured.

Tait should never play Test match Cricket for Australia again.

 

[Richard]

Exactly. Clark, Lee, Johnson, Bollinger, Siddle, Tait & Magoffin are are pretty good seamers. McGain's our only good spinner, and he's injured.

In the case of all bar two, we have little evidence of that at the current time.

 

[Matt79]

In the case of all bar two, we have little evidence of that at the current time.

We have evidence that they're good FC seamers. We have also have evidence that all the potential replacement spinners, apart from one season from the injured McGain, are dire FC spinners. So it's a fair comment on the disparity, even if the quicks mostly have plenty to prove in the Test arena (aside from Clark and Lee).

 

[Richard]

There is, to date, no particularly hard evidence about the cases of Magoffin, Johnson, Siddle or Tait.

Magoffin has been mediocre for a long time - despite good returns in Australia for the last 3-and-a-bit seasons he's done nothing in England.

Johnson has been promising for a long time yet has so far played just 20 matches for Queensland, doing nothing at all until 2005/06 and having 4 good games in that season and 2006/07 (out of 11). He's done nothing much since then either.

Siddle has so far played half a season.

Tait we simply don't know how his mind is. And the nature of those sorts of illnesses is that we'll never be able to take anything for granted again, as Trescothick's case so amply demonstrates. If he can get back to playing he's a prospect for sure, but equally we've seen the best and the worst of him in his career already and you never really know for certain what's coming next.

 

[Anil]

mcgrath is the bigger loss...the aussies have a good pace attack now but it's been so less effective without mcgrath, especially in the context of the current series against india, mcgrath could have been the difference-maker, warne wouldn't have been...warne would be very difficult to replace as well but mcgrath was easily the higher quality bowler and the tougher of the two to replace...

 

[Precambrian]

Yeah all this talk about Clark being the next McGrath. His game is purely one-dimensional, and it was high time the opposition worked him out.

 

[Richard]

I wouldn't be counting my chickens quite that far yet TBH. I've said for a while that Clark is no McGrath in respects other than accuracy and ability to hit the seam, but I don't think he's completely one-dimensional.

 

[Precambrian]

I wouldn't be counting my chickens quite that far yet TBH. I've said for a while that Clark is no McGrath in respects other than accuracy and ability to hit the seam, but I don't think he's completely one-dimensional.

he is, the Indian batsmen have figured him out in the last tour to Australia, and here they are demonstrating further proof of it. His line of attack is predictable, wobbly pace in the corridor outside off stump, and occassionaly get one into jag into the batsman and catch him lbw. I don't know whether the SA batsmen have looked at the Indians and take a leaf out of it, and if they have done that, Clark will struggle against them this summer.

 

[Ikki]

mcgrath is the bigger loss...the aussies have a good pace attack now but it's been so less effective without mcgrath, especially in the context of the current series against india, mcgrath could have been the difference-maker, warne wouldn't have been...warne would be very difficult to replace as well but mcgrath was easily the higher quality bowler and the tougher of the two to replace...

Against India in India, sure. Everywhere else, or thereabouts, it'd be Warne.

 

[Richard]

he is, the Indian batsmen have figured him out in the last tour to Australia, and here they are demonstrating further proof of it. His line of attack is predictable, wobbly pace in the corridor outside off stump, and occassionaly get one into jag into the batsman and catch him lbw. I don't know whether the SA batsmen have looked at the Indians and take a leaf out of it, and if they have done that, Clark will struggle against them this summer.

More than anything I think India have worked-out that Clark can be played on a non-seaming pitch - but that really is about it.

Clark will still run through any batting-line-up you wish to give on a surface where there's just a bit in it for the seamers. It doesn't matter how much working-out you try to do.

And both SA and Aus will be best-served by going in with seaming decks, so if they do that I expect Clark to take a bagful, and similarly if he faces India on a seamer there's no way he's likely to do anything less, however good the batting.

 

[Top_Cat]

More than anything I think India have worked-out that Clark can be played on a non-seaming pitch - but that really is about it.

Clark will still run through any batting-line-up you wish to give on a surface where there's just a bit in it for the seamers. It doesn't matter how much working-out you try to do.

And both SA and Aus will be best-served by going in with seaming decks, so if they do that I expect Clark to take a bagful, and similarly if he faces India on a seamer there's no way he's likely to do anything less, however good the batting.

Yeah that's it. All the above says is that Clark isn't as good as McGrath was. Oh the shame.....