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G.I.Joe

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Hardly. No batsman will go through an innings where they haven't played and missed or they've hit a shot just short of a fielder. However, my point was even though that has happened for the batsmen in question, it didn't happen enough to suggest that India were close to getting them out or that they were under any real pressure. As far as I am concerned, besides Hussey, the batsmen just gave themselves away - which often happens, but it is unusual for Ponting and Hayden, especially, to do so when they are so close to a 100. That's why I was disappointed.



Hayden didn't look like getting out until that Sehwag over. So to say based on that over that Hayden was looking iffy is ridiculous IMO. The wickets of Hayden, Katich and Ponting all came when they each looked like a 100 was an inevitability. When Katich got out he was batting better than Hayden. I reiterate: brainfarts.
I think this is purely a matter of perception. Suppose Hayden didn't get out to the ball he did, and continued to get beaten for ten more overs, he wouldn't have been destined for a 100 as per your analysis. That would be illogical as the batsman who hung on for ten more overs would be deemed less destined for a 100 than the one who was poor enough to get out much earlier going by that reasoning.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Cricinfo's commentary is a tiny bit one-sided though

When an Indian hits the ball through gully it's "lovely, soft hands"

When it's an Australian, it's "oooooh, there's an edge"

That being said, the wicket got a lot worse today (when Sehwag nearly hits Ponting in the head, you know it's not great) and Aus did well to get to where they are today considering that they were confronted by a steady, confident attack operating in home conditions
Boo hoo. The pitch is fine. In fact, it's probably too good. I hope all Indian pitches are like this.
 
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Matt79

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Yeah, one of Social's weaker efforts there... Good test so far. India are really looking like the real deal, but the Aussies showing that they've still got a bit about them as well today.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
All well and good but the BCCI will cop hefty fines if they repeat that particular one.
No, they won't. And if they do, so be it. ICC can go stuff themselves. They are absolutely moronic if they will fine a Test that was close and exciting while not doing anything about the borefest 1st Test in that series where Chris Martin had a chance to score a century.

The pitch was reported, but nothing came of it. Why? Because the team losing the toss won the game anyway, chasing last at 64/2. People just like to whine because they don't like the pitch and it doesn't suit their strengths. It'd be like India whining that they got the old Perth pitch somewhere.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
A spinner, and a slow one at that, getting balls to jump at the throat is not indicative of "beautiful" cricket conditions ANYWHERE
It's not as though it's a minefield. The wicket has obviously been a little flat and isn't exactly a glorious surface, but there's nothing wrong with the fact that it's turning. If Australia are upset with playing on a turning wicket, maybe they should have a better spinner than Cameron White?

Nothing wrong with testing all aspects of touring teams, as long as the wickets are sporting.
 

pup11

International Coach
It's not as though it's a minefield. The wicket has obviously been a little flat and isn't exactly a glorious surface, but there's nothing wrong with the fact that it's turning. If Australia are upset with playing on a turning wicket, maybe they should have a better spinner than Cameron White?

Nothing wrong with testing all aspects of touring teams, as long as the wickets are sporting.
I think unlike what SS is saying, i personally believe India have got things spot on with the kind the pitches they have prepared for this series, India know Australia doesn't have any spinner of note so they have no threat from that department of the Aussie bowling line-up, it was only the Aussie pace attack that was gonna pose any serious threat to them and had India prepared a bit of a turner that would have given the Aussie quicks a bit of chance by using their cutters and using the invariable bounce of the track, then Indian batsmen could have been in a bit of trouble (i think the Bangalore pitch was an example of that).

India just prepared hard and dry pitches in Mohali and Delhi which just about negated any threat from the Aussie quicks and obviously they were also helped by the fact that they won the toss and got to bat first in both 2nd and 3rd test, with the variety of good spinners in the Indian bowling line-up and also the fact that the Indian seamers were able to generate reverse swing, the Indian bowlers have been able to knock over the Aussie batsmen even on a relatively batsmen friendly tracks, though i believe had Australia won the toss in Mohali and Delhi and elected to bat first and scored big runs things might have been slightly different for them.

Anyways i don't have any problems with the home team preparing any sort of pitch they want to, until its sporting enough.
 
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No, they won't. And if they do, so be it. ICC can go stuff themselves. They are absolutely moronic if they will fine a Test that was close and exciting while not doing anything about the borefest 1st Test in that series where Chris Martin had a chance to score a century.

The pitch was reported, but nothing came of it. Why? Because the team losing the toss won the game anyway, chasing last at 64/2. People just like to whine because they don't like the pitch and it doesn't suit their strengths. It'd be like India whining that they got the old Perth pitch somewhere.
Be fair to Smith and co., they refused to use the pitch as an excuse. The concern was with safety. You look at the ball that got Dravid in the first innings and it seems a reasonable thought, although those balls weren't especially common. But if the pitch had got to day five, it would've been that much more dangerous. Unlikely, but it's not a risk you want to take when preparing a cricket pitch. I'll put it this way, if pitches like that became the norm, someone will get badly hurt at some point. A rap on the knuckles was probably the right decision from the ICC.
 

Precambrian

Banned
Be fair to Smith and co., they refused to use the pitch as an excuse. The concern was with safety. You look at the ball that got Dravid in the first innings and it seems a reasonable thought, although those balls weren't especially common. But if the pitch had got to day five, it would've been that much more dangerous. Unlikely, but it's not a risk you want to take when preparing a cricket pitch. I'll put it this way, if pitches like that became the norm, someone will get badly hurt at some point. A rap on the knuckles was probably the right decision from the ICC.
Are you saying that pitches elsewhere esp faster ones didnt injure anyone? Especially the ones in Perth etc, where even a medium pacer could bounce the head off the batsman.
 

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Are you saying that pitches elsewhere esp faster ones didnt injure anyone? Especially the ones in Perth etc, where even a medium pacer could bounce the head off the batsman.
No, but what you see is what you get. You won't get your head taken off by a ball you were looking to drive.
 

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Are there any actual instances of batsmen getting injured on a spinning minefield though?
Not that i can remember, but that isn't really relevant. I can't remember any serious injuries resulting from spear tackles in rugby, but that's not to say they aren't very obviously dangerous. The abandoned Jamaica test almost definitely would have hurt someone.
 

Precambrian

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No, but what you see is what you get. You won't get your head taken off by a ball you were looking to drive.
Because you don't play the drive against the spin in such conditions. Lack of technique is no excuse for getting hit on the head on spinning tracks.

Today, there was an instance where Ponting went on his knee to drive against the spin from Sehwag. The ball jumped close to his head high (remember he was fully kneeling), and he was comprehensively beaten. It was more due to Ponting's reluctance to play in the back foot (in which case it would have been waist high) than the pitch being a demon.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Not that i can remember, but that isn't really relevant. I can't remember any serious injuries resulting from spear tackles in rugby, but that's not to say they aren't very obviously dangerous. The abandoned Jamaica test almost definitely would have hurt someone.
You're using absurdly incorrect analogy. There are instances of batsmen getting injured by fast bowling, right? Where are the instances of batsmen getting injured by a spinner?
 

Precambrian

Banned
Not that i can remember, but that isn't really relevant. I can't remember any serious injuries resulting from spear tackles in rugby, but that's not to say they aren't very obviously dangerous. The abandoned Jamaica test almost definitely would have hurt someone.
No comparison can be made between Rugby and Cricket. One is a contact sport, the other one is not.

There are several instances of bowlers hitting the batsmen in the chest/head/ and even injuring them seriously to the extent that it cost their career. Eg- Nari Contractor. They all happened on pacey tracks. For all reasons a spinning minefield is ridiculed, possible danger to batsman should be the least valid one.
 

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You're using absurdly incorrect analogy. There are instances of batsmen getting injured by fast bowling, right? Where are the instances of batsmen getting injured by a spinner?
Are we going to tell fast bowlers that only the spinners are allowed to bowl on these tracks then?
 

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Because you don't play the drive against the spin in such conditions. Lack of technique is no excuse for getting hit on the head on spinning tracks.

Today, there was an instance where Ponting went on his knee to drive against the spin from Sehwag. The ball jumped close to his head high (remember he was fully kneeling), and he was comprehensively beaten. It was more due to Ponting's reluctance to play in the back foot (in which case it would have been waist high) than the pitch being a demon.
The danger on heavily cracked pitches doesn't come from spinners, it comes from the fast bowlers.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Are we going to tell fast bowlers that only the spinners are allowed to bowl on these tracks then?
Dude, now you're claiming that a fast bowler is more dangerour than a spinner on a spinners minefield? You're watching a different game to cricket, mate. I struggle to recall a batsman complain about the quicks on a minefield. Australia should have easily won Mumbai 2004 if the pacers really posed a danger there.
 

Precambrian

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The danger on heavily cracked pitches doesn't come from spinners, it comes from the fast bowlers.
Then the phrase "spinning minefield" is wrong to refer to those tracks.

Spinning minefields are cracked and dusty pitches. They provide sharp bounce to the spin bowlers. Fast bowlers, if capable, would get bounce on every surface. They don't get dangerous bounce on these pitches alone because bounce on such pitches are a result of the ball gripping the surface and then popping out.
 

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