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BARNES OUT
At least he's not afraid to actually say something.
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NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Seriously though, it was a batsman's series, which is shown by the best specialist Aussie bowler averaging 28. not including Michael ****ing Clarke.
The stats of the bowling attacks (specialists only) are:
Australia conceded 1983 runs for 43 wickets at 46.12, from 572 overs at 3.47
CWland conceded 2680 for 55 wickets 48.73, from 706 overs at 3.80
Part timers being the big difference:
Australia 417 conceded for 15 wickets at 27.8, from 163 overs at 2.56
CWland 100 conceded for 1 wicket at 100, from 29 overs at 3.45
Yeah, our bowling wasn't great was it, but Australia were hardly better. The series result refletcs this.
The stats of the bowling attacks (specialists only) are:
Australia conceded 1983 runs for 43 wickets at 46.12, from 572 overs at 3.47
CWland conceded 2680 for 55 wickets 48.73, from 706 overs at 3.80
Part timers being the big difference:
Australia 417 conceded for 15 wickets at 27.8, from 163 overs at 2.56
CWland 100 conceded for 1 wicket at 100, from 29 overs at 3.45
Yeah, our bowling wasn't great was it, but Australia were hardly better. The series result refletcs this.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
I wasn't endorsing him. I was just saying at least he's not being a kiss-ass like everyone else is here.
Most other ****s would be like "Oh tough luck guys, stick it out" etc. He wants to play tests and more power to him.
Most other ****s would be like "Oh tough luck guys, stick it out" etc. He wants to play tests and more power to him.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Was typing out a second reply when you did, wasn't replying to you but can see what you mean.
He was having a go at us 'wicket taking' (i.e. Demeza and myself) saying we're **** against class batting line ups, but if you look at the games and stats, it's clear to see it was a ****ing batsman's dream out there.
Demeza and I are picked to be wicket takers, though we're very expensive. Going by the law of averages, you'd expect at least one of us to fire and be devastating, but as it happened that didn't really play out in this series, which wasn't helped by Borcich being relatively ineffective, whereas he usually goes <3 an over, as does Wilson and Pickup, as they are to play ying to our yang.
I can understand Cunningham wanting to play tests and fair enough, but he should open both eyes when criticising.
Travis_Teh
International Regular
Cheers for having my back, Geg 
That series was definitely the hardest we've ever had as a bowling unit. No **** we went for a million and took bugger all wickets, the track's were roads and our fielding was lackluster.
Just have to suck it up and get on with the job / next series.
If Greg or I got dropped (or even discussed about being dropped) after that series then we'd have the worst selector's in the world
That series was definitely the hardest we've ever had as a bowling unit. No **** we went for a million and took bugger all wickets, the track's were roads and our fielding was lackluster.
Just have to suck it up and get on with the job / next series.
If Greg or I got dropped (or even discussed about being dropped) after that series then we'd have the worst selector's in the world
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Us strike bowlers generally have an erratic time of it. Generally start off well, then have a massive drop off. For example, myself and Watt. Trav I dare say you're experiencing that now after a great start to your career but what goes around comes around I spose.
Remember a while ago speaking to Tharmi about whether or not I should try and get my ER lowered by asking Liam to bowl me conservatively, and he said no because there are few out and out attacking bowlers, which are needed for the XI.
Though whether or not there's room for two in the same team is still up in the air it would seem after this series. But given the recently finished season, there aren't too many options bashing down the door.
As far as former reps go Collins is semi-inactive and averaged 40, Cunningham was good without being great, as was Rose and Wright was simply poor.
Can't really debut anyone new at this stage - Davis didn't play enough games (though looked pretty good in the 5 he did) and the same goes for Smith.
Amir dropped off in a big way in the final quarter, Patrick was neither here nor there and the same goes for Forner.
West bowled well in his debut season but obviously hasn't done enough, while Mitchell, Gough, Raghav and Maina were pretty poor to say the least.
Of anyone, Shah has the best case of debuting, but I don't think he's done enough yet either, needs to be active so he can get a consistent season together. If Donald had kept up his early season form he could've made it as a specialist bowler.
Could possibly debut a second spinner in either Weber or Popat, except Weber was underwhelming after his good start and Popat was in his debut season).
IMO either recall Kennett who I thought ended up having a good season (86 @ 31.93) or go for the second spinner option that worked well with Halsey and give Richards a run.
but what goes around comes around I spose.Remember a while ago speaking to Tharmi about whether or not I should try and get my ER lowered by asking Liam to bowl me conservatively, and he said no because there are few out and out attacking bowlers, which are needed for the XI.
Though whether or not there's room for two in the same team is still up in the air it would seem after this series. But given the recently finished season, there aren't too many options bashing down the door.
As far as former reps go Collins is semi-inactive and averaged 40, Cunningham was good without being great, as was Rose and Wright was simply poor.
Can't really debut anyone new at this stage - Davis didn't play enough games (though looked pretty good in the 5 he did) and the same goes for Smith.
Amir dropped off in a big way in the final quarter, Patrick was neither here nor there and the same goes for Forner.
West bowled well in his debut season but obviously hasn't done enough, while Mitchell, Gough, Raghav and Maina were pretty poor to say the least.
Of anyone, Shah has the best case of debuting, but I don't think he's done enough yet either, needs to be active so he can get a consistent season together. If Donald had kept up his early season form he could've made it as a specialist bowler.
Could possibly debut a second spinner in either Weber or Popat, except Weber was underwhelming after his good start and Popat was in his debut season).
IMO either recall Kennett who I thought ended up having a good season (86 @ 31.93) or go for the second spinner option that worked well with Halsey and give Richards a run.
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
would be pretty pissed if Weber or Popat got a game before me tbh
bryce
International Regular
Love ya work, I take it you didn't notice my Test bowling average is lower than yours?
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bryce
International Regular
I did - and what I saw was that the seamers(excluding Wilson) numbers were horrible.
Wilson performed but Demeza and Thomas were crap - fill the thread with all the excuses you want the facts ain't gonna change.
Why were the "strike" bowlers numbers so atrocious? If it is because of the very strong Aussie batting list then how come Wilson bowled so well? Short answer is because the other seamers were crap
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NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
BC Cunningham: 102 overs, 8 wickets, 306 runs conceded @ 38.25, 0 five wicket hauls, 0 ten wicket hauls, best bowling 3 for 67, economy 3.00, strike rate 76.50.Love ya work, I take it you didn't notice my Test bowling average is lower than yours?
Wow.
You're about as dangerous as a wet cake. When was the last time you took a 10fer in the Dev League?
There are two economical and consistent seamers in the test team - Wilson and Borcich, both have career E/Rs under 3. This was Borcich's real first blip in his test career.
And they prefer "wicket takers" because they, you know, take wickets. A better term would be 'strike bowler'. We're in the side to be aggressive and take wickets. It didn't happen in this test series, and it was unfortunate that Pickup and Borcich didn't bowl well either, so as a whole the stats look like ****.
But no, single us two out.
Haha, we bowled poorly, and Australia bowled poorly. When did I ever say we didn't bowl poorly? Our best bowler was Wilson, their best bowler was Michael Clarke
There were a heap of big innings in the series, indicating the pitches favoured the batsman. Regardless of the pitch situation, only Wilson bowled well and the rest of us bowled crap. I know that, you know that, everyone knows that. So what? We just came off the back of a good series versus Pakistan, so it's not like we deserved to be dropped yet.
You're questioning the effectiveness of two strike bowlers in the same team. This is balanced out by Wilson and Borcich who are both economical (plus Pickup), except Borcich had a bad series as well. I guess we should all be dropped.
Also, funny how you didn't mention Pickup, CWLand's leading wicket taker for Tests, having a shocker as well. But I guess he's a spinner so it doesn't count?
You think you should be in the team ahead of the 'wicket taking' bowlers, so whatever. Good luck with that.
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superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
Borcich hardly economical tbh, wouldn't say he's expensive either, but he's not up there with the Collins' of CW. Incidentally, two of CW's best fast bowlers have low FC ER, Hoy and Timewell. By contrast, the only CW spinner to have much impact on the test scene has one of it not the highest FC ER amongst regular spinners.
Robertinho
Cricketer Of The Year
Dauth should've played too imo, farce 
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Dauth's blew his chance, I've heard...
Robertinho
Cricketer Of The Year
Don't say that Camps... you know it's not true... look at how he has reinvented himself at domestic level....
was averaging 60 in FC before the injury, 100 in OD...
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
We drew this series didn't we?
Though I'm not fully convinced on the Demeza/Thomas combination. Hasn't really worked that well together. Though would like some pitches that aren't roads before we rule it out as failure and they can't bowl together.
Cunningham you probably should have been given another chance in Test after your first shot. But since your batting has dropped off you haven't offered anything extra that other options provide. Like this season you generally have been in the top 10 bowlers, but rarely in the top 5.
Though I'm not fully convinced on the Demeza/Thomas combination. Hasn't really worked that well together. Though would like some pitches that aren't roads before we rule it out as failure and they can't bowl together.
Cunningham you probably should have been given another chance in Test after your first shot. But since your batting has dropped off you haven't offered anything extra that other options provide. Like this season you generally have been in the top 10 bowlers, but rarely in the top 5.
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Thanks for not pointing out my grammatical shortcoming.Don't say that Camps... you know it's not true... look at how he has reinvented himself at domestic level....