***Official Australia in India***

[Jakester1288]

**** this thread went off in my absence, cbf reading through thousands of posts.

 

[Precambrian]

Nothing has happened. The World is still spinning in its axis and <insert some clever quip here>

 

[manali]

Australia>>>India when outside India.

Perth ....

 

[manali]

No, take latest results. Ind >>> Pakistan since India beat Pakistan in 2007.

In

Pak & Ind both won the home series and lost the away series against each other....so India is no better than Pak....

 

[Precambrian]

Johnson given job to roughen ball for reverse swing

As the Australian bowlers worked on adjustments to catch up Zaheer Khan and Ishant Sharma, pacer Mitchell Johnson has been identified as the front man to prepare the ball to extract reverse-swing early in the game.

Johnson will be given the job to roughen up one side of the ball in rapid fashion, something essential if the ball has to reverse swing as dramatically as it has for Indian quick bowlers Zaheer and Ishant.

Australian pacers have experimented with bowling across the seam in the style of Zaheer and Ishant, but Johnson said he had been brought on for spells where the objective was to damage the ball as much as the batsmen.

"With my bowling technique at the moment I probably don't bowl too many cross seam deliveries anyway because I tend to hit the rough side with my wrist position," said Johnson, who took five wickets in Bangalore and three at Mohali.

"That's something we've tried to do, basically I might be brought on just to roughen up one side and bowl naturally."

The Aussies are also getting the reverse swing, no doubt, but only for a short period before the new ball is due while Zaheer and Ishant have managed it within the first 15 overs or so.

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2008/oct/25john.htm

Interesting. Johnson will be the ideal guy to work on the ball with his "hit the deck hard" ability. Also would mean that Siddle and Johnson could open the bowling, to rough it up, and then give it to Lee for reverse.

 

[silentstriker]

Not that this isn't a big deal, but I hope the Australians are focused on other [IMO bigger] issues.

 

[pup11]

Not that this isn't a big deal, but I hope the Australians are focused on other [IMO bigger] issues.

Would you like to elaborate on what those other big issues are, as far as i am concerned being able to reverse the ball as early as possible should be one of the prime objectives for the Australians, and Johnson could help scruff up one side of the ball pretty quickly with the way he bowls, so that's a pretty decent plan there, because if the Aussie fast-bowlers wish to be of any effect they seriously need to get that reverse swing going.

 

[Top_Cat]

Would you like to elaborate on what those other big issues are, as far as i am concerned being able to reverse the ball as early as possible should be one of the prime objectives for the Australians, and Johnson could help scruff up one side of the ball pretty quickly with the way he bowls, so that's a pretty decent plan there, because if the Aussie fast-bowlers wish to be of any effect they seriously need to get that reverse swing going.

As I've said before, it'd be nice if the Aussies bowled straight before worrying about getting the ball off the straight. Reverse swing, etc., entirely useless when you're bouncing the ball in your half or bowling short and wide as the Aussies have done a lot of.

 

[Precambrian]

Would you like to elaborate on what those other big issues are, as far as i am concerned being able to reverse the ball as early as possible should be one of the prime objectives for the Australians, and Johnson could help scruff up one side of the ball pretty quickly with the way he bowls, so that's a pretty decent plan there, because if the Aussie fast-bowlers wish to be of any effect they seriously need to get that reverse swing going.

Their batting. Let them down twice in the Mohali track which by all means was a 300-a-day pitch even on Day 5.

 

[Salamuddin]

I expect Stuart Clark to come in for Siddle, if fit.

I expect that will be the only change.


I doubt very much Krejza will play - the Australians are not stupid.
What would be the point of picking him ?
If the guy was taken apart by a patently not good enough for test cricket Yuvraj Singh, how on earth will he fare against India's first choice batsmen ?

I'd seriously take a punt on Bollinger before Krezja.

 

[pup11]

As I've said before, it'd be nice if the Aussies bowled straight before worrying about getting the ball off the straight. Reverse swing, etc., entirely useless when you're bouncing the ball in your half or bowling short and wide as the Aussies have done a lot of.

I think Lee is the only guy who is not attacking the stumps and that's criminal on sub-continental track and that also shows in his bowling figures right through this tour, of course one can't really expect Johnson to bowl much stump to stump stuff, but Siddle, Watto and Clark have bowled reasonably straightish lines and they have been decent too due to that, but unless they don't get a pitch like the one at Bangalore that was two-paced then without any lateral movement or swing, no matter what they do the Australian quicks would get thumped, so that's why i believe reverse is very important for Aussie quicks.

 

[Precambrian]

I think Lee is the only guy who is not attacking the stumps and that's criminal on sub-continental track and that also shows in his bowling figures right through this tour, of course one can't really expect Johnson to bowl much stump to stump stuff, but Siddle, Watto and Clark have bowled reasonably straightish lines and they have been decent too due to that, but unless they don't get a pitch like the one at Bangalore that was two-paced then without any lateral movement or swing, no matter what they do the Australian quicks would get thumped, so that's why i believe reverse is very important for Aussie quicks.

Reverse is not a big deal on the turning tracks of Delhi. And Lee bowled too full and too straight.

 

[pup11]

Their batting. Let them down twice in the Mohali track which by all means was a 300-a-day pitch even on Day 5.

Yup the batting was really what eventually cost Australia the game at Mohali, but that can be considered as a one off batting failure, and i do expect the batsmen to put up a better performance for the next game, but bowling has been the weak-link right from the start of the tour, the injuries to Bryce McGain and Stuey Clark have only made matters worse for Australia in the bowling department, so they would have to come up with some ideas or plans to counter the Indian batting line-up, and they are doing it too and how well they are able to implement these ploys during the game would eventually decide how things go for them in the rest of this series.

 

[Julian87]

If we want any chance of winning, ie; bowling India out twice, we need to play Lee, Johnson, Clark and Bollinger.

Clarke, Katich can bowl part timers. Because that is how White is being used anyway.

 

[pup11]

Reverse is not a big deal on the turning tracks of Delhi. And Lee bowled too full and too straight.

What we saw of him in the first too test was Lee from the past when he either bowled too full or too short, basically he was a two length bowler and could hardly bowl any bowls in the good length area, and that has been a major worry for Australia, as far as the Delhi pitch being a turner is concerned then unfortunately Australia doesn't really have anyone to exploit those conditions so they would depend on their quicks to get them wickets, so reverse then obviously becomes a big deal for them.

 

[irfan]

If we want any chance of winning, ie; bowling India out twice, we need to play Lee, Johnson, Clark and Bollinger.

Clarke, Katich can bowl part timers. Because that is how White is being used anyway.

Over rates is a big issue preventing Australia from fielding that lineup. If they do, Clarke and Anchorman have to bowl long spells to increase the over rate, thus reducing the productivity required of the 4 quicks and allowing the Indians to milk/attack the spinners. I.e. if India bat for a 100 overs - the over breakdown for each bowler would be something like this (if Australia were to be on top of the over rates)

Lee, Johnson, Clark, Bollinger, Watson - 13 overs each (65 overs)
Clarke, Katich - 35 overs between them

Asking Clarke and Katich to bowl 35 tight overs between them is a fairly ambitious IMHO.

 

[Precambrian]

I thought Siddle did an okay job at Mohali. Nothing overtly spectacular, but an equal if not better job than Johnson and Lee. Johnson was lucky to pick his wickets. Hopefully, Lee will regain form and we could see some good cricket.

 

[pasag]

Over rates is a big issue preventing Australia from fielding that lineup. If they do, Clarke and Anchorman have to bowl long spells to increase the over rate, thus reducing the productivity required of the 4 quicks and allowing the Indians to milk/attack the spinners. I.e. if India bat for a 100 overs - the over breakdown for each bowler would be something like this (if Australia were to be on top of the over rates)

Lee, Johnson, Clark, Bollinger, Watson - 13 overs each (65 overs)
Clarke, Katich - 35 overs between them

Asking Clarke and Katich to bowl 35 tight overs between them is a fairly ambitious IMHO.

Who cares tbh? Pick the side that'll win you the match.

 

[Top_Cat]

Over rates is a big issue preventing Australia from fielding that lineup. If they do, Clarke and Anchorman have to bowl long spells to increase the over rate, thus reducing the productivity required of the 4 quicks and allowing the Indians to milk/attack the spinners. I.e. if India bat for a 100 overs - the over breakdown for each bowler would be something like this (if Australia were to be on top of the over rates)

Lee, Johnson, Clark, Bollinger, Watson - 13 overs each (65 overs)
Clarke, Katich - 35 overs between them

Asking Clarke and Katich to bowl 35 tight overs between them is a fairly ambitious IMHO.

And that's aside from how bowling that many overs will affect their batting. I know Clarke in particular can bowl a bit but if one of the reasons why he hasn't kicked-off in this series is because of the overs he's bowled, Ponting needs to stop bowling him. Now.

 

[Precambrian]

Bowling at 12 overs an hour, even with that side, hard to see Australia winning. And worse, their captain could sit out for the remaining test match also.