GotSpin
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They're just lucky we're not losing at home.
I don't think they'll get a ticker-tape parade when they get home, let's put it that way.
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pasag
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Pfft, paying tribute more like
Precambrian
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Micheal Clarke says Australia's loss is a one-off thing, and that they have beat every team everywhere. He also adds that Australian team were so-close to winning the Bangalore Test.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24537913-5001505,00.html
Might be with the first sentence. Agree with the second. And disagree with the third. If you manage to take only 4 wickets of the opposition in the 2nd dig, how can you be so-close to a win?
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24537913-5001505,00.html
Might be with the first sentence. Agree with the second. And disagree with the third. If you manage to take only 4 wickets of the opposition in the 2nd dig, how can you be so-close to a win?
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
We hear too much talk from vice captains and senior cricketers when a team loses. Can we have less of it and more of the action please.
Johnners
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Jaques could miss entire summer
Barring further injury, it seems we can lock in Hayden & Katich as openers for quite a while.
Barring further injury, it seems we can lock in Hayden & Katich as openers for quite a while.
Son Of Coco
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Good to see some of the players involved in that match are likely to be considered for a call up next year too
Son Of Coco
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I'm not sure why Tait's name has come back into the picture as a replacement for whoever it is who isn't bowling well in India at the moment. Today's Daily Telegraph suggests he might be the answer due to his 'mastery' of reverse-swing - swinging it late and fast reverse none-the-less. Unfortunately there's no mention of the fact that other bowlers who managed to use reverse swing in Australian conditions have been clueless in Indian conditions where the Indians get reverse swing much earlier than we can manage. I don't think 5 wickets against NSW in Australian conditions is any indicator of a great (or even good) performance in India.
Apparently Tait is a good thing because, unlike the Indian bowlers, he delivers reverse swing at 150km/h. It doesn't have to be fast, it just has to be good (and actually happening). I think journos are getting a little carried away in this instance.
Apparently Tait is a good thing because, unlike the Indian bowlers, he delivers reverse swing at 150km/h. It doesn't have to be fast, it just has to be good (and actually happening). I think journos are getting a little carried away in this instance.
duffer
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Like the Perth Test all over again. I remember all the "Get the ambulances ready!" bs that came out then and reckon all it did was shatter Tait's ability to prepare himself for the match. Selectors need to be really cautious with the when and where they call him back into the team.
Wily Old Fox
Cricket Spectator
Dont Count Australia Out Yet..
I am a new member here and have been closely following this thread for a while now. Also read so many articles regarding Australia's huge loss and comments made by different people, and to be frank, i am surprised to see that many people have already written off Australia after their loss at mohali. Surely this is not the same dominant Australian
team but i still believe this team is not the worst either. They still have a very good batting line-up probably one of the best in the world. They did not click at mohali but that dosent mean they are gonna keep repeating it the whole series. Players like Hayden, Hussey, ponting and Clarke have proved in the past how good they are. People
virtually wrote Hayden off after the Ashes '05, But everyone knows how well he has come back. They are missing symonds badly in this series. No matter how good watson is, i still dont think he is on par with symonds with his batting abilities. Bowling could be weak link with this Aussie line-up. Lack of a quality spinner is hurting them. I have seen people here going after the selected ones krejza and white. However its impossible virtually to replace a great like shane warne. As far as the fast bowling failure is concerned, apart from the series in 2004, even the great Aussie pace bowling attack have struggled in India.
So its not fair to judge them with just one failure in mohali. Remember they did a reasonable job in Bangalore.
Indians were very good in Mohali. They had a plan to bat first and score big and it worked out well and some very good strategy by the fast bowlers to use reverse swing instead of conventional swing did work out well for them. But again, the thing that has haunted the past Indian teams has been consistency. If they continue the good work they have shown in the Mohali test and win the series, that might take them to the next level in confidence.
But still i think the series is wide open and you can expect a much stronger Australian performance in the next 2 test matches.
I am a new member here and have been closely following this thread for a while now. Also read so many articles regarding Australia's huge loss and comments made by different people, and to be frank, i am surprised to see that many people have already written off Australia after their loss at mohali. Surely this is not the same dominant Australian
team but i still believe this team is not the worst either. They still have a very good batting line-up probably one of the best in the world. They did not click at mohali but that dosent mean they are gonna keep repeating it the whole series. Players like Hayden, Hussey, ponting and Clarke have proved in the past how good they are. People
virtually wrote Hayden off after the Ashes '05, But everyone knows how well he has come back. They are missing symonds badly in this series. No matter how good watson is, i still dont think he is on par with symonds with his batting abilities. Bowling could be weak link with this Aussie line-up. Lack of a quality spinner is hurting them. I have seen people here going after the selected ones krejza and white. However its impossible virtually to replace a great like shane warne. As far as the fast bowling failure is concerned, apart from the series in 2004, even the great Aussie pace bowling attack have struggled in India.
So its not fair to judge them with just one failure in mohali. Remember they did a reasonable job in Bangalore.
Indians were very good in Mohali. They had a plan to bat first and score big and it worked out well and some very good strategy by the fast bowlers to use reverse swing instead of conventional swing did work out well for them. But again, the thing that has haunted the past Indian teams has been consistency. If they continue the good work they have shown in the Mohali test and win the series, that might take them to the next level in confidence.
But still i think the series is wide open and you can expect a much stronger Australian performance in the next 2 test matches.
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Yeah, Tait shouldn't be anywhere near Tests yet.
Anyway, the Aussie bowlers didn't fail because of lack of mastery of tricks like reverse swing, it was the lack of application of the fundamentals like line, length, etc. which did for them. Let's bowl straight before we worry about bowling off the straight, eh boys?
Precambrian
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Tait looked very mediocre when he turned up last time against us at Perth. Has he grown immensily since then to be a reverse swinging danger that too in INdian conditions?
Wily Old Fox
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Reverse swing tends to occur a bit more in hot and dry conditions. So I can find no reason why Tait can't reverse the ball in India compared to other places.
Precambrian
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Delhi at this time cannot be called exactly as HOT and HUMID. Nor could be Mohali, where avg temperatures were like 26-29 degrees. Perth in summer too has similar temperatures iirc?
SJS
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That's right.
During the match they showed the pitch map of the pace bowlers on both sides and the difference was shocking. Even to those who had actually been watching the game !!
The Australians were all over the place for line and aboutt two meters shorter than the Indians on an average. This is 'hara-kiri'. Where did they think they were bowling? Not India surely?
This is where I have a big issue with Ponting. What was the Australian captain doing besides looking like the most helpless man on the planet? Most grade bowlers understand if you tell them "I do not repeat DO NOT want you to bowl short." and, "Look here I am going to give you this field and I want you to bowl on THIS side of the wicket" I don't think he did that.
The way they went about trying to bounce Dhoni out of the game, to give one example, was pathetic. In Perth yes but in Mohali on that day - it was a joke. The Australians did as much to get Dhoni back in Test match form as did the wicket and Dhoni's aggressive methods.
Wily Old Fox
Cricket Spectator
Even within the same temperature range you mentioned, the ball did reverse a bit in Mohali.
So there is no reason why it shouldnt in Delhi and its still pretty Humid in Delhi. However there is no point in relating that with Tait as he is not in the team.
Precambrian
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Precambrian
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Reverse swing need not depend on just conditions. As Indians showed the ball started reversing as early as 10th over.
Some posters alluded to Tait being a possible solution. I don't think so.
Wily Old Fox
Cricket Spectator
Yeah agreed. Condition is just one of factor.
SJS
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The temperature in Delhi will be almost identical to Mohali. Its just 250 kms by road between them (much less as the crow flies). The wicket is a different matter. Delhi tends to favour spinners more than Mohali.
The other difference, though it may not be valid ay this time of the year is the early morning fogginess that is typical of the Delhi winter (which can help the new ball swing for 30-40 minutes) but as I said, its a bit early for that PLUS things are changing a bit on the weather front.
social
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Totally agree
Whilst people (the team/coach/media) have attempted to portray the Australian tactics as "containment", to me it has more the air of setting fields for bad bowling and bad bowling is what they received
The bowling to Dhono and Ganguly on day 2 was as bad as it gets in test cricket - not just trying to bounce some one out but doing it every single ball on a dead pitch
Even Ganguly, who couldnt hook a fish, started playing the pull shot because he knew what was coming each and every ball