***Official Australia in India***

[FaaipDeOiad]

I could. Sehwag scoring 300 with blindfolds on like he did against South Africa. That's boring.

I love this stuff. Batsmen have it too easy. Let them scratch some runs. I also want to see 200-300 scores instead of 450+ being par.

One thing to remember though is that difficult scoring conditions doesn't necessarily correlate with conditions difficult for survival. Look at the Bangalore wicket from this series. It certainly wasn't a very easy wicket to bat on but very few wickets in that match fell because the pitch misbehaved, and the game was a draw in which one side comfortably batted out the final day.

Anyway, from a gamesmanship perspective I don't mind what India do with the wicket, unless they are in some way deliberately unsporting (ie: create a "draw" pitch). Tailoring a wicket to suit the bowling strengths of the home side is fine. From a spectators point of view, it doesn't necessarily make for the best viewing, but we'll see.

 

[silentstriker]

One thing to remember though is that difficult scoring conditions doesn't necessarily correlate with conditions difficult for survival. Look at the Bangalore wicket from this series. It certainly wasn't a very easy wicket to bat on but very few wickets in that match fell because the pitch misbehaved, and the game was a draw in which one side comfortably batted out the final day..

Agreed, but if he does it right, it will indeed be a hard wicket to survive on.

 

[ret]

if Kumble is available for selection, who should he be replacing? one of the batsmen or one of the spinners?

 

[SJS]

Actually, losing the toss and a wicket like this may come back to bite India in the ass. I'd still support these wickets if it does. I hate flat pitches, even if we win.
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Just hypothetically lets wipe out India's innings and start the Test with Australia's first innings, assuming they won the toss and decided to bat first. It makes the wicket condition at the start of the match as what it was at the start of the Australian first innings.

What do we get.

• Australia (actual) : 268 (Overs 101.4)
• India (actual) : 314 for 3 (at the end of 65 overs) assuming India collapse adding just 60 runs at just 3 an over we get
• India : 374 (85 overs)
• Australia (actual) : 195 (64.4 overs)
• India are left with a target of 90 to win in more than two full days left.

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I know this is all hypothesis but do you really think that toss mattered all that much ?

 

[silentstriker]

Just hypothetically lets wipe out India's innings and start the Test with Australia's first innings, assuming they won the toss and decided to bat first. It makes the wicket condition at the start of the match as what it was at the start of the Australian first innings.

What do we get.

• Australia (actual) : 268 (Overs 101.4)
• India (actual) : 314 for 3 (at the end of 65 overs) assuming India collapse adding just 60 runs at just 3 an over we get
• India : 374 (85 overs)
• Australia (actual) : 195 (64.4 overs)
• India are left with a target of 90 to win in more than two full days left.

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I know this is all hypothesis but do you really think that toss mattered all that much ?

I was not speaking about this Test match.

 

[SJS]

I was not speaking about this Test match.

What ??

 

[silentstriker]

What ??

I mentioned the toss for the next Test match, assuming the curator has already stopped watering and it's going to be a minefield. I did not say that our last Test match was influenced by the toss.

 

[SJS]

I mentioned the toss for the next Test match, assuming the curator has already stopped watering and it's going to be a minefield. I did not say that our last Test match was influenced by the toss.

Ohh. Misunderstanding

 

[Prince EWS]

One thing to remember though is that difficult scoring conditions doesn't necessarily correlate with conditions difficult for survival. Look at the Bangalore wicket from this series. It certainly wasn't a very easy wicket to bat on but very few wickets in that match fell because the pitch misbehaved, and the game was a draw in which one side comfortably batted out the final day.

Yeah, this is a very good point that people seem to miss repeatedly.

 

[Precambrian]

Good news that we are finally going to see the TYPICAL Indian pitch in this series. Drop a bat and go in for 3 spinners imho.

 

[ret]

Good news that we are finally going to see the TYPICAL Indian pitch in this series. Drop a bat and go in for 3 spinners imho.

wouldn't you need an extra bat more than the 3rd spinner on a turner?

 

[SJS]

Ridiculous suggestion - Drop Ganguly to accomodate Kumble since Ganguly is going anyway !

Don't believe me - read THIS

 

[Sanz]

Actually, losing the toss and a wicket like this may come back to bite India in the ass. I'd still support these wickets if it does.

Didn't India win the Kanpur Test after losing the TOSS ?

 

[Precambrian]

wouldn't you need an extra bat more than the 3rd spinner on a turner?

Kumble, with a test century will do. Anyway our bowlers are in better batting form than some Australian batsmen.

Ridiculous suggestion - Drop Ganguly to accomodate Kumble since Ganguly is going anyway !

Don't believe me - read THIS

Suresh Menon must've been trying a lame attempt at humor.

 

[SJS]

A good article from that fine writer - Peter Roebuck

OUTbatted, OUTbowled, OUTcaptained ​

Excerpts :

IT WAS not the defeat that was significant, but its manner. Australia have lost before but it's been a long time since they were so comprehensively taken apart.....

No one expected the visitors to cave in or to depart with their tails hanging between their legs.

The Australians were humbled. Now comes the time to be humble. Ricky Ponting's team was outbatted, outbowled, outfielded, out-thought, outrun, outcaptained and outclassed....

India's batsmen were mostly careless or caught in the deep. Their counterparts were bowled neck and crop, leg before or caught close at hand. Six visiting batsmen were bowled between bat and pad, a gap that is not supposed to exist. India played an aggressive game with cool heads. With Australia it was the reverse....

On this evidence none of the Australian bowlers could get into the Indian squad, let alone the team. Indeed a composite side would include only two Australians, both of them middle-order batsmen.....

ia's opening batsmen and new-ball bowlers dominated this contest. None of them played in Melbourne. Defeat has been coming.....

Since the retirement of Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne and Adam Gilchrist, especially, the Australians have been living on borrowed time. It is not possible to replace great cricketers with good cricketers and retain the same standard.....​

 

[silentstriker]

Didn't India win the Kanpur Test after losing the TOSS ?

Yup. Thankfully SA won the toss, or we'd have seen some whinging. Generally though, the toss matters more in those conditions (that doesn't mean it necessarily decides the game).

 

[Precambrian]

As always Sunny's upto his task of getting under the Aussie skin.

He's slammed Match referee Chris Broad of being partial. While as always he's gone over the top, I feel he's got a point. Particularly that the Over rates of Australia, which were extremely poor, went unnoticed. And so too, Ponting's tiff following Sehwag catch turned down.

 

[Precambrian]

Yup. Thankfully SA won the toss, or we'd have seen some whinging. Generally though, the toss matters more in those conditions (that doesn't mean it necessarily decides the game).

We saw whingeing still. Coach Mickey arthur slammed the pitch

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sports/south-africa-coach-slams-kanpur-test-pitch_10038743.html

 

[silentstriker]

Sunny is seriously one of the biggest idiots going around. I've long since stopped listening to him.

 

[silentstriker]

We saw whingeing still. Coach Mickey arthur slammed the pitch

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sports/south-africa-coach-slams-kanpur-test-pitch_10038743.html

He complained mainly about the facilities, which is different.