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Definitely attacking field setting. What does Ponting expect by setting a defensive setting? Choke runs? Not with Sehwag. Then? Expect Sehwag to get bored and hit one to the deep fielders?
I would guess (that's what it is, of course) that he was just hoping to limit the damage until the end of the day. Higher percentage move than an attacking field.

I'm a strong advocate of attacking cricket and generally HATE seeing defensive fields in any situation. But I can understand why Ponting went that way.

And I was all the more angry to see Gambhir set such a defensive field too. I can understand to some extent Ponting's line of thinking regarding Sehwag (though I dont like it), but against Gambhir? It seems as if Ponting's resigned to the fact that his bowlers including Lee cannot contain even though he's easily the weak link in the Indian batting lineup. Sad sight for an admirer of Test cricket in general and Australian cricket in particular
If he is thinking that, haven't they pretty much gone ahead and proven him right?
 

SJS

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It is absolutely laughable to suggest that winning the toss will win the match for you. Only a good team will win the match. A toss, under some conditions could be a slight advantage but teams can and do win inspite of losing the toss.

In the entire history of the game here is what has happened to teams that have won the toss in Test matches.

- Total Tests played till date : 1878
- Won by team that won the toss : 645 - 34.34%
- Won by team that lost the toss : 570 - 30.35%
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Another really entertaining day's play. I continue to be impressed with a Dhoni led India. We just seem to have more energy and drive when he's captaining us. Loving the way our batsmen and bowlers have responded so well in this match. Amit Mishra has been so good this match, it would be terrible if India dropped him for the Delhi test if Kumble becomes fit.

Tomorrow I think we should bat on at least until lunch time or declare an hour after lunch. I don't want to see Australia have any chance in this game and a lead of 450 would be what's needed. If we can get the runs quick enough then a lead of 500 would be ideal.

Hoping Dhoni promotes himself up the order tomorrow and continues to tee off like he did in the first innings.
 

Precambrian

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Certainly. The review system also contributed a fair bit to the victory of ball over bat in that series.
Yes. Although I am not really satisfied with lbw calls. There were atleast 2 instances when plumb lbws even after referrals were turned down. But still Review system was a success, and should be given a run in test cricket.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
The Sehwag and Gambhir partnership crosses 50 every second innings they walk out together. Wouldn't have imagined it of an Indian opening combination.
They are a fantastic opening combination. The best thing is that they've known each other for so long as they've played all their cricket together at Delhi and are great friends off the field. After years and years of horrible makeshift opening partnerships, a Gambhir and Sehwag combination really is fantastic for India.
 

Precambrian

Banned
I would guess (that's what it is, of course) that he was just hoping to limit the damage until the end of the day. Higher percentage move than an attacking field.

I'm a strong advocate of attacking cricket and generally HATE seeing defensive fields in any situation. But I can understand why Ponting went that way.



If he is thinking that, haven't they pretty much gone ahead and proven him right?
Just because they conceded 400+ total on an absolute belter on the first day? So he expects to write off his bowlers just on the basis of first innings?
 

Pratters

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I am so happy with our performance. Mishra is a delight to watch. Viewing leg spinners gives me most pleasure in cricket and it was wonderful to see Mishra bowling one turner after another and then the googly.

I am hoping that India makes 250 by half an hour to and hour after lunch going at a fast rate and declares with a lead of 450.
 

Precambrian

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It is absolutely laughable to suggest that winning the toss will win the match for you. Only a good team will win the match. A toss, under some conditions could be a slight advantage but teams can and do win inspite of losing the toss.

In the entire history of the game here is what has happened to teams that have won the toss in Test matches.

- Total Tests played till date : 1878
- Won by team that won the toss : 645 - 34.34%
- Won by team that lost the toss : 570 - 30.35%
AWTA. Although there is still a case of toss being a factor in ODIs, only at exceptional venues (Durban in SA comes to mind). But other that, toss should never be a factor to bemoan in Test match cricket. If it is, then the side is simply not test class.
 

SJS

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Haha, what pressure? They started batting 200 runs ahead! I would hope Ponting didn't start the innings throwing in the towel but I can definitely understand him wanting to limit the damage today for a tilt tomorrow.
Oh really and what is throwing in the towel.

He started with a solitary slip fielder for both batsmen in the very first over and by the eighth over or so (the score was about 30) he had four fielders standing right on the ropes.

The fact that India ended up with 100 runs in 23 overs shows how much of damage he limited with these tactics.

When I said pressure, I did not mean pressure of getting out but of getting on with it as must have been there instructions.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Infinite credit. I'd really love to hear the ins and outs of what Prasad has exactly done but the effects have been magnificent and far too great to be coincidental.
Agreed as well. Prasad has been a terrific bowling coach for India. What amazes me as well is that he still looks as young and as physically fit as he did when he played for India. He still looks like he could bowl for India and bowl well.

I remember watching a training session in the nets here when India toured Australia. Prasad was routinely bowling to the likes of Tendulkar and Ganguly and was bowling well too. He was another bowler in the queue alongside the likes of RP Singh and Ishant Sharma. Great bowling coach who teaches by example.
 

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Just because they conceded 400+ total on an absolute belter on the first day? So he expects to write off his bowlers just on the basis of first innings?
Not written them off but certainly he'd suspect that there's a strong chance on a pitch which hasn't deteriorated much when the team is miles behind in the game that their performances wouldn't miraculously turn around. It's not admitting defeat, just being realistic.
 

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Oh really and what is throwing in the towel.

He started with a solitary slip fielder for both batsmen in the very first over and by the eighth over or so (the score was about 30) he had four fielders standing right on the ropes.

The fact that India ended up with 100 runs in 23 overs shows how much of damage he limited with these tactics.

When I said pressure, I did not mean pressure of getting out but of getting on with it as must have been there instructions.
Hey it wouldn't have been my chosen tactic but then, I'm not under the same pressure as Ponting. Makes a huge difference.
 

pup11

International Coach
Haha, what pressure? They started batting 200 runs ahead! I would hope Ponting didn't start the innings throwing in the towel but I can definitely understand him wanting to limit the damage today for a tilt tomorrow.
Haha, yeah the pressure bit was really funny, if anybody was under pressure out there then that was Ponting and his team, tbf to him its all about slowing down at the pace which India scores their runs from here on, so that Australia has to bat out less time to save this test, Ponting is watching the game from close quarters and he is probably a better judge of how his bowlers are bowling and what they can do and what they can't, so come to think of it again i don't have that much problem with him being on the defensive right from the beginning in this innings, but if he employs boundary riders to the new ball or when the bowlers are bowling well in the upcoming games then i would have a problem with his tactics, today what he did in terms of his field settings was practical more than anything else, though his tactic didn't pay any rich dividends, but i can see what he was trying to do out there.
 

Precambrian

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Not written them off but certainly he'd suspect that there's a strong chance on a pitch which hasn't deteriorated much when the team is miles behind in the game that their performances wouldn't miraculously turn around. It's not admitting defeat, just being realistic.
Disagree. If the captain doesnt trust his bowlers, then it's as much equivalent to have given up.

Bah, even Gambhir was given such a defensive field. It's pathetic really! If containing runs is primary motive, then he'd have put defensive setting for Sehwag, make him take single and get attacking settings for Gambhir, and take him more of the strike. That way Aussies could have choked Gambhir of runs, and he being inexperienced would slas one to the slips or point. And that would get Dravid in, whom again they could attack. All this time, Sehwag would be without strike and thus there is a chance of him getting frustrated and do something silly.
 

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Disagree. If the captain doesnt trust his bowlers, then it's as much equivalent to have given up.

Bah, even Gambhir was given such a defensive field. It's pathetic really! If containing runs is primary motive, then he'd have put defensive setting for Sehwag, make him take single and get attacking settings for Gambhir, and take him more of the strike. That way Aussies could have choked Gambhir of runs, and he being inexperienced would slas one to the slips or point. And that would get Dravid in, whom again they could attack. All this time, Sehwag would be without strike and thus there is a chance of him getting frustrated and do something silly.
All too easy and obvious from the sidelines.
 

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It is absolutely laughable to suggest that winning the toss will win the match for you. Only a good team will win the match. A toss, under some conditions could be a slight advantage but teams can and do win inspite of losing the toss.

In the entire history of the game here is what has happened to teams that have won the toss in Test matches.

- Total Tests played till date : 1878
- Won by team that won the toss : 645 - 34.34%
- Won by team that lost the toss : 570 - 30.35%
Conducted a similar query not long ago myself- in the past ten years, the toss advantage has been even less, around 2%.
 

pup11

International Coach
Hey it wouldn't have been my chosen tactic but then, I'm not under the same pressure as Ponting. Makes a huge difference.
AWTA, easy for all of us to make these calls, but Ponting is the man in the in the hot-seat he needs to make his own decisions, sometimes they come off sometimes they don't.
 

pasag

RTDAS
It is absolutely laughable to suggest that winning the toss will win the match for you. Only a good team will win the match. A toss, under some conditions could be a slight advantage but teams can and do win inspite of losing the toss.

In the entire history of the game here is what has happened to teams that have won the toss in Test matches.

- Total Tests played till date : 1878
- Won by team that won the toss : 645 - 34.34%
- Won by team that lost the toss : 570 - 30.35%
Not really. It's pretty obvious that Australia's batting far outweighs it's bowling and as such it's definitely advantageous batting first. Look at Bangalore. I don't think we'd be winning here if we'd have won the toss, I think we'd have the same issues bowling India out, but I think we'd be in a much better position to draw the game then we are now.

But hey, that's fair, we won one and India won one. Can't complain.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
Disagree. If the captain doesnt trust his bowlers, then it's as much equivalent to have given up.

Bah, even Gambhir was given such a defensive field. It's pathetic really! If containing runs is primary motive, then he'd have put defensive setting for Sehwag, make him take single and get attacking settings for Gambhir, and take him more of the strike. That way Aussies could have choked Gambhir of runs, and he being inexperienced would slas one to the slips or point. And that would get Dravid in, whom again they could attack. All this time, Sehwag would be without strike and thus there is a chance of him getting frustrated and do something silly.
Test cricket's just too easy. You've got it down pat.
 

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