Fab Five Replacements

[ret]

a line up like the one below for me,

- Chopra
- Sehwag
- Gambhir
- Tendulkar / Laxman / Dravid [for the Q, replace them with one of the guys listed at #5]
- Badri / Kohli / Raina
- Rohit
- Dhoni
- Mishra / Nanda / Chawla
- Zak
- Ishant
- Munaf

 

[irfan]

What does everyone think of this Mohnish Parmar fellow - even if he has a dodgy Muraliesque action?

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/india/content/player/240734.html

 

[adharcric]

Love that FC average and he's taken big wickets for India A as well. It's too early for him but if he's indeed corrected that action, very promising for India's spin stocks.

 

[Salamuddin]

Love that FC average and he's taken big wickets for India A as well. It's too early for him but if he's indeed corrected that action, very promising for India's spin stocks.

If he does actually play intl cricket, I wonder if he will be reported for chucking ?

His action is very similar to Murali's and if Murali's action was deemed legit, you could make a case for Parmar's action being ok too.

 

[Arjun]

Surprisingly, Parmar wasn't called for chucking in the A-team series. We don't know what will happen once he dons India colours, though. The problem is that once a bowler is called for chucking, he's a liability on the whole team, and the Indians can't risk one at this stage.

 

[bryce]

I probaly wouldn't look any further than this side, with maybe a 3rd seamer to be added when conditions are appropriate

1.Sehwag
2.Gambhir
3.Dravid
4.Tendulkar
5.Badrinath
6.Yuvraj Singh or Kaif
7.Dhoni+
8.Harbhajan Singh
9.Zaheer Khan
10.Mishra
11.Ishant Sharma

 

[gettingbetter]

Anyone want to take guesses as to when they will call it a day?

Ganguly: as we know, at the end of this series
Tendulkar: maybe at the end of this series or after England. He'll break Lara's record soon and I'm not sure what he needs to do after it
Dravid: not to sure TBH
Laxman: after England
Kumble: after England or at the end of this series

 

[masterblaster]

Anyone want to take guesses as to when they will call it a day?

Ganguly: as we know, at the end of this series
Tendulkar: maybe at the end of this series or after England. He'll break Lara's record soon and I'm not sure what he needs to do after it
Dravid: not to sure TBH
Laxman: after England
Kumble: after England or at the end of this series

Ganguly is gone after this series and you would expect Kumble to be gone too. Sachin still looks like a really threatning player even today and still looks fairly youthful even at 35. Barring major drama's with injury, I think Sachin can play on for a little longer if he wants to. He certainly deserves to go out on his own free will rather than being pushed to retire.

I have no idea about Laxman and Dravid. After England is a chance or maybe later on in 2009. But to be honest, if all these retirements means having Yuvraj Singh in the test side I hope Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid play for as long as they possibly can!

 

[Pratters]

Laxman will retire within a year IMO. Dravid and Tendulkar can go on till 1-3 years. [like I said in the tour thread yesterday]

 

[Furball]

Unsure about Tendulkar, get the feeling he might want one last chance at winning a World Cup before he retires and call time on his Test career to prolong his ODI career.

Once Lara's record goes, there's very little left for Tendulkar to achieve in the longer form of the game.

 

[Lambu]

I haven't gone through all the posts but i think i would like to see Rohit and Raina come in for Sourav and Dravid/Laxman(whoever retires first)..it would have been Yuvraj until a year ago but i think the succession has passed over him,for which he has only himself to bleame tbh.From what I have seen,these two are a cut above the rest interms of talent.Sure you have couple of other players who might average a bit more,but from what i have seen of Badri and Kaif..i don't think they are as talented as these two.Probably is unfair on Badri but he has had quite a few matches now against International quality attacks but so far he has failed miserably.Just doesn't give that secured feeling at the crease.

 

[silentstriker]

Badrinath hasn't played a Test yet, how can you dismiss him already. Few things annoy me more than using ODI form to judge Test viability. Especially if the guy has played THREE ODIs. 3.

Come on now.

Are we seriously talking about Rohit Sharma - the guy with a FC average of 40 over Badrinath - one of the most prolific batsmen out there?

 

[Lambu]

My observations were based on the Board President's XI vs Aus match..he had two innings and looked a distant second best to Sharma.Anyway,i always believe that FC performances take you to a certain level but not beyond.I mean its quite possible for a guy to be an awesome FC player without actually being good at the International level,isn't it?But what i think hardly matters..i sure hope Badri can prove me wrong.If he can come good at the International level,nothing like it.

 

[silentstriker]

My observations were based on the Board President's XI vs Aus match..he had two innings and looked a distant second best to Sharma.Anyway,i always believe that FC performances take you to a certain level but not beyond.I mean its quite possible for a guy to be an awesome FC player without actually being good at the International level,isn't it?But what i think hardly matters..i sure hope Badri can prove me wrong.If he can come good at the International level,nothing like it.

One match means crap. You can't discount 60 FC matches because someone had a good President XI match - that's just ridiculous. We aren't talking about two people with great FC records and one making it and another isn't. We are talking about a great record vs. a pretty bad record.

How many players have gone to be a great player at the Test level while being relatively crap at FC level? Way too few.

 

[ret]

One match means crap. You can't discount 60 FC matches because someone had a good President XI match - that's just ridiculous. We aren't talking about two people with great FC records and one making it and another isn't. We are talking about a great record vs. a pretty bad record.

How many players have gone to be a great player at the Test level while being relatively crap at FC level? Way too few.

IIRC, weren't you the one who said that Chawla is not good enough to play tests? and now he is in your test X1 for Australia!!!

weren't you the one who thought Jaffar should open in Australia?

weren't you the one who said Kallis is going to surprise in IPL when some ppl said he is over priced?

If I m not wrong, you didn't even rate Munaf highly!!!! and he now he is in your squad too

and now its Rohit, who is not good enough yet for tests? i guess, a new star is on the way

Originally Posted by silentstriker
Last time India played at Mohali, they went in with three spinners. I hope that since Kumble is clearly carrying a shoulder injury that someone talks to him and he sits out.

Most likely, Mohali is a place to play two spinners, so maybe get in Chawla, or someone like that. Chawla can hold a bat too, so I'd go with:
Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Dhoni
Chawla
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Sharma
Munaf

Munaf played last time here, and bowled extremely well too. He is a liability on the field, but I think we need three pace bowlers, and two spinners

 

[Richard]

weren't you the one who thought Jaffar should open in Australia?

Anyone who said he shouldn't didn't have a clue what they were talking about. Jaffer had an irrefutable claim to a place.

Anyone who was confident in his success might've been asking a fair bit, but that he had earned the right to try is beyond dispute.

 

[silentstriker]

IIRC, weren't you the one who said that Chawla is not good enough to play tests? and now he is in your test X1 for Australia!!!

He isn't good enough - nowhere near Kumble or Harbhajan. I said someone like him because I am not sure if anyone else is in the squad right now.

weren't you the one who thought Jaffar should open in Australia?

And he should 100% open here. I was giving a realistic side, not one that could only exist in my imagination. Otherwise, Chopra would be there too. Gambhir is horrible. I have never rated him, and nothing so far has even begun to change my mind. He will be a walking wicket throughout the series. He does not have the skill to blunt high quality opening attacks.

weren't you the one who said Kallis is going to surprise in IPL when some ppl said he is over priced?

It's a three year contract, Kallis is going to end up worth his money.

If I m not wrong, you didn't even rate Munaf highly!!!! and he now he is in your squad too

Because he is in the squad. Unless you think they will call up Gagandeep Singh because I want him?

and now its Rohit, who is not good enough yet for tests? i guess, a new star is on the way

If you think Rohit, right now, has done more to earn a side in the Indian Test team compared to Badrinath, we can't really talk any further, as our criteria are just way too different.

 

[Manee]

He isn't good enough - nowhere near Kumble or Harbhajan. I said someone like him because I am not sure if anyone else is in the squad right now.

Mishra is in the squad, Chawla isn't, IIRC.

Because he is in the squad. Unless you think they will call up Gagandeep Singh because I want him?

You want Gagandeep Singh in? He looked most unimpressive in the IPL. Although I am the aware of crossing between formats, Gagandeep looked slow and was absolutely hammered in the IPL. Rarely does a strong Test bowler get hammered so hard in T20.

If you think Rohit, right now, has done more to earn a side in the Indian Test team compared to Badrinath, we can't really talk any further, as our criteria are just way too different.

Indeed, your crtieria are different, but certainly the one which wants Rohit in the side sooner rather than later is the one held by the BCCI - it is a worrying reality.

 

[Manee]

Anyone who said he shouldn't didn't have a clue what they were talking about. Jaffer had an irrefutable claim to a place.

I as a critic of Jaffer since the England series, still thought he deserved a place (IIRC) but I believe you have been a tad strong there. Jaffer has massive problems in the corridor and Australia is certainly not the place to go with such a problem as the pitches are on first mornings and the new ball swings around.

 

[ret]

Anyone who said he shouldn't didn't have a clue what they were talking about. Jaffer had an irrefutable claim to a place.

Anyone who was confident in his success might've been asking a fair bit, but that he had earned the right to try is beyond dispute.

haha, no way Jaffar should have been on the plane to Australia [yes, I know he had hit a double against Pak] and then been in the 11 with someone like Sehwag in the squad

my 2 cents