This Krejza kid

[NUFAN]

DWTA, emphatically.

Dire, but it's easy to suggest this as we won't ever know.

 

[pup11]

Dire, but it's easy to suggest this as we won't ever know.

AWTA....

 

[Nate]

DWTA, emphatically.

awta

 

[Prince EWS]

awta

Yeah, thirded.

 

[Julian87]

I don't agree, I wasnt claiming he's a world-beater by any stretch, its more me not rating White and Krejza's bowling than being a big fan of Clarke's.
Clarke might not have too many tricks up his sleeve however he generally bowls very accurately, keeps his head when the attack is taken to him and has been able to take advantage of spin-friendly surfaces on a few occasions at international level so far.
Krezja hasnt even demonstrated he can do that at FC level.
And as Richard said Clarke isnt taking up a spot just on the basis of his bowling and represents far less of a gamble.

I know its not totally fair to compare as two of them are specialist bats who bowl very occasionally and the other two far more regular bowlers, but here are the domestic records of the spinners Australia has brought on tour-

Michael Clarke - 27 FC wickets @37.5, sr 71. 70 OD wickets @29.
Simon Katich - 86 FC wickets @37.4, sr 61. 24 OD wickets @31.
Cameron White - 161 FC wickets @38.4, sr 65. 88 OD wickets @35.
Jason Krejza - 43 FC wickets @50.1, sr 78, 14 OD wickets @31.

All those stats do is show that White is the best bowler of that lot.

 

[bryce]

?
Katich's are a spot better

 

[Julian87]

I'd bet White's was better after 80 wickets.

 

[bryce]

It would probaly be about the same, it is irrelavant anyway. Katich's Test bowling record is fairly decent too. Here is White's bowling for Victoria in 4-day matches since he entered FC cricket,

00/01: 4 wickets @34.00
01/02: 7 wickets @57.00
02/03: 28 wickets @25.03
03/04: 26 wickets @37.80
04/05: 19 wickets @39.73
05/06: 17 wickets @44.82
06/07: 9 wickets @49.77
07/08: 6 wickets @47.00

 

[four_or_six]

It would probaly be about the same, it is irrelavant anyway. Katich's Test bowling record is fairly decent too. Here is White's bowling for Victoria in 4-day matches since he entered FC cricket,

00/01: 4 wickets @34.00
01/02: 7 wickets @57.00
02/03: 28 wickets @25.03
03/04: 26 wickets @37.80
04/05: 19 wickets @39.73
05/06: 17 wickets @44.82
06/07: 9 wickets @49.77
07/08: 6 wickets @47.00

That's interesting, I didn't realise he'd dropped off quite that badly. Those last three years aren't much different from Krejza. Seeing that definitely makes me lean more towards Krejza than I was... at least he has more experience at bowling longer spells.

 

[gettingbetter]

Krejza: the most criticized player never to play a Test?

 

[pup11]

Krejza: the most criticized player never to play a Test?

....And with good reason too.

 

[Richard]

That's interesting, I didn't realise he'd dropped off quite that badly. Those last three years aren't much different from Krejza. Seeing that definitely makes me lean more towards Krejza than I was... at least he has more experience at bowling longer spells.

But White offers far more with the bat.

 

[Top_Cat]

But White offers far more with the bat.

And less with the ball (if that's even possible).

 

[four_or_six]

But White offers far more with the bat.

If the Aussies are that worried about their batting that they've got to pick a batsman at 8 even though they already have Lee and Johnson in their tail, they're really in trouble!

I wish the Ashes was now.

 

[pup11]

But White offers far more with the bat.

But White won't exactly set the world on fire batting at no.8, and with the ball he is as bad or probably even worse than Krejza, so its bit of a catch 22 situation for Australia atm, so it really doesn't matter much who they pick in the end.

 

[Richard]

If you've got the choice between a useless bowler who bats a bit and a useless bowler who's a pretty good batsman, I just don't see how there's any logic in picking the former.

 

[Richard]

If the Aussies are that worried about their batting that they've got to pick a batsman at 8 even though they already have Lee and Johnson in their tail, they're really in trouble!

I wish the Ashes was now.

I wish England's problems weren't far more considerable than a mere lack of 2 bowlers (with 9 other players - 10 or 11, in fact, including other batsmen like Jaques and Hodge - of excellent calibre available).

 

[Prince EWS]

If you've got the choice between a useless bowler who bats a bit and a useless bowler who's a pretty good batsman, I just don't see how there's any logic in picking the former.

Krejza is much more likely to make an impact at Test level with the ball than White. Regardless of what the figures tell you, Krejza is a much better bowler than White on pitches that actually turn. He is capable of bowling quite well; he just doesn't do it particularly often - he could do serious damage if he bowled to the best of his ability while White is unlikely to make an impact with the ball even if he bowls the best spell of his career AFAIC. White's a partnership breaker at best - someone I'd probably give a few overs to if I had him in my team but someone I'd never select on the basis of bowling in any way, shape or form. Krejza's been unfortunate in that he has rarely been given the opportunity to bowl on spin-friendly surfaces in his career but the man can bowl. He's simply not consistent or accurate enough to be Test standard yet, on any surface, but he has the basic ingredients to be a threat on the subcontinent if he improves a few things in his game.

Given the quality of the top 7 and indeed the batting of both Lee and Johnson, plus the obvious fact that Johnson is very much an unproven bowler at this level, batting becomes basically irrelevant to the position unless the bowling of two players is at exactly the same standard - and no, just because you called them both useless doesn't mean they're at the same level. If they wanted another bat as you've suggested, which I find ridiculous anyway, they should have picked Jaques. As it is they've picked a batsman who wouldn't be amongst the top 20 in the country who will also force to Watson to bowl more overs than he should - ridiculous.

I would have gone with Bollinger and Jaques with no Watson, myself, as strange as that'll sound coming from me, but what they've done is basically the last thing I would have considered.

 

[pup11]

Krejza is much more likely to make an impact at Test level with the ball than White. Regardless of what the figures tell you, Krejza is a much better bowler than White on pitches that actually turn. He is capable of bowling quite well; he just doesn't do it particularly often - he could do serious damage if he bowled to the best of his ability while White is unlikely to make an impact with the ball even if he bowls the best spell of his career AFAIC. White's a partnership breaker at best - someone I'd probably give a few overs to if I had him in my team but someone I'd never select on the basis of bowling in any way, shape or form. Krejza's been unfortunate in that he has rarely been given the opportunity to bowl on spin-friendly surfaces in his career but the man can bowl. He's simply not consistent or accurate enough to be Test standard yet, on any surface, but he has the basic ingredients to be a threat on the subcontinent if he improves a few things in his game.

Given the quality of the top 7 and indeed the batting of both Lee and Johnson, plus the obvious fact that Johnson is very much an unproven bowler at this level, batting becomes basically irrelevant to the position unless the bowling of two players is at exactly the same standard - and no, just because you called them both useless doesn't mean they're at the same level. If they wanted another bat as you've suggested, which I find ridiculous anyway, they should have picked Jaques. As it is they've picked a batsman who wouldn't be amongst the top 20 in the country who will also force to Watson to bowl more overs than he should - ridiculous.

I would have gone with Bollinger and Jaques with no Watson, myself, as strange as that'll sound coming from me, but what they've done is basically the last thing I would have considered.

Oh.. no you didn't.....

Mate its fine you are backing Krejza but you yourself are accepting that he is nowhere near test standard, he could be threat but the way he bowled in the tour game he didn't look threatening for a single ball, so in a way he virtually bowled himself out of contention there, obviously White is a no better selection but Australian management are probably hoping that he could use the Indian conditions and playing a holding role(which however is pretty unlikely), but even if he fails with the ball he might add some value with the bat, so White' selection is more in hope than any real expectations.

Bollinger on the other hand would have to wait imo, because i can't see Australia playing with four fast bowlers, so if Johnson proves to be ineffective then Bollinger should come in for him, but Watson has to play, if he is fit then he can be a real asset to the team, he can add a lot of value to the side not only with his batting, i think on these kind of tracks his bowling could also make an impact, so he shouldn't be written off.

 

[Nate]

Krejza is much more likely to make an impact at Test level with the ball than White. Regardless of what the figures tell you, Krejza is a much better bowler than White on pitches that actually turn. He is capable of bowling quite well; he just doesn't do it particularly often - he could do serious damage if he bowled to the best of his ability while White is unlikely to make an impact with the ball even if he bowls the best spell of his career AFAIC. White's a partnership breaker at best - someone I'd probably give a few overs to if I had him in my team but someone I'd never select on the basis of bowling in any way, shape or form. Krejza's been unfortunate in that he has rarely been given the opportunity to bowl on spin-friendly surfaces in his career but the man can bowl. He's simply not consistent or accurate enough to be Test standard yet, on any surface, but he has the basic ingredients to be a threat on the subcontinent if he improves a few things in his game.

Was on your side until I watched Krejza in the tour match.

He was atrocious.