This Krejza kid

[bryce]

I reckon. Not mention anything about how his "carrom ball" went in the warm-up game?

 

[sanga1337]

Carrom ball no more Mendis’s monopoly
Tuesday, October 07, 2008


MUMBAI: : The ‘carrom ball’ delivery will no longer be a monopoly of Sri Lankan spinner Ajantha Mendis as Australia’s new off-break bowler Jason Krejza, who is yet to play a single Test, also has this secret weapon, which he is certain to use against the India during the upcoming India-Australia series.

The 25-year-old Krejza’s mystery delivery is different to Muthiah Muralitharan’s doosra but is like Mendis’s carrom ball - a delivery held between the thumb and forefinger and squeezed out to spin slightly away from the right-hander.

“I have not interacted with this new bowler. Nor I have seen him bowling,” Mendis told a newspaper. However, Sri Lanka’s Australian coach Trevor Bayliss is aware about the bowler. “I saw him bowling this delivery in nets some few years ago. I don’t know how more he has developed his skill in this department in matches thereafter,” Trevor Bayliss said from Colombo.

Krejza is a good bowler but he will be under pressure to bowl against Indian batsmen on their home soil. Mendis has more (secret) deliveries under his sleeves,” Bayliss said while comparing Krejza with Mendis.

This is stupid if true. Krejza can't even bowl a stock delivery consistenly. Rather than focussing on this he should be focussing on getting the basics right...

 

[Richard]

Tim May and Colin Miller > Ashley Giles.

May you could I suppose make something of a case for though I'm not sure I'd agree.

Miller wasn't even a spinner, however. He was a seamer who started experimenting with fingerspin at the age of 34 and bowled them decently for a couple of years. Utterly incomparable to someone who bowled spin for 17-18 years.

 

[pup11]

I reckon. Not mention anything about how his "carrom ball" went in the warm-up game?

Ssshhhhhhhhhhh..... he might be keeping it under the wraps for the first test.

 

[bryce]

0/199 off 31 overs is telling me the same thing, though I heard he can bat a bit

 

[Jakester1288]

White's action is what makes him pitch the ball short and get pulled away. He comes in so side on that the ball naturally comes down short on the pitch. I think this may be at fault for his small amount of spin on his leggies. He comes towards the stumps, and his action automatically brings the ball on middle and leg. He is running to the right, and it makes it virtually impossible to spin it to the left. When he is running in towards the stumps, bowling the ball flat and fast, and dropping the ball short, he has no chance of getting wickets regularly in test matches. In test match cricket you must bowl consistently well for up to days at a time, and you will get punished by the Indians when you bowl a bad ball.

Good luck to him though.

 

[NZTailender]

Krejza playing the long game imo. Deliberately bowling **** in warm ups to get India off guard, and will tear it up once the tests start.


Well, i hope that's the case...

 

[pup11]

Krejza playing the long game imo. Deliberately bowling **** in warm ups to get India off guard, and will tear it up once the tests start.


Well, i hope that's the case...

Well i too hope that's the case, because from the looks of it atm i think Krejza might have very well bowled himself out of the first test.

 

[Perm]

Krezja has nothing. Bluffing.

 

[iamdavid]

White's action is what makes him pitch the ball short and get pulled away. He comes in so side on that the ball naturally comes down short on the pitch. I think this may be at fault for his small amount of spin on his leggies. He comes towards the stumps, and his action automatically brings the ball on middle and leg. He is running to the right, and it makes it virtually impossible to spin it to the left. When he is running in towards the stumps, bowling the ball flat and fast, and dropping the ball short, he has no chance of getting wickets regularly in test matches. In test match cricket you must bowl consistently well for up to days at a time, and you will get punished by the Indians when you bowl a bad ball.

Good luck to him though.

He is however still capable of landing the ball on a good length, and if he does that often enough then his pace through the air combined with the bounce his height generates would have him well equipped to take advantage of any inconsistensies in turn and bounce.
I know his action prevents him from turning the ball a great deal, however it dosent prevent him bowling accurately. And a bowler of his variety dosent need to turn the ball a great deal to take wickets.....in India atleast (look at Kumble).

I'm not saying I rate him as a bowler but if his bowling is going to succeed anywhere its India.

That said I'm still not sure I'd play him, his bowling is still not really likely to pose any more threat than Clarke's in my opinion.
However Clarke is sick so they may not want to over-burden him, plus a tail of White, Lee, Johnson and Clark does look awfully strong. Albeit a bit of a defensive move.

 

[pup11]

Krezja has nothing. Bluffing.

Seconded.

 

[Richard]

Krejza playing the long game imo. Deliberately bowling **** in warm ups to get India off guard, and will tear it up once the tests start.


Well, i hope that's the case...

We know for certain Shane Warne did this once or twice - most notorious being New Road in 1993.

Unfortunately for Krejza, he's not close to Warne's league.

 

[iamdavid]

How can Clarke be the best spinner on the tour when he hasn't taken a wicket while Krejza has taken 3? Both got absolutely tonked in the second tour match.



Clarke clearly overrated by a lot of people here.

I don't agree, I wasnt claiming he's a world-beater by any stretch, its more me not rating White and Krejza's bowling than being a big fan of Clarke's.
Clarke might not have too many tricks up his sleeve however he generally bowls very accurately, keeps his head when the attack is taken to him and has been able to take advantage of spin-friendly surfaces on a few occasions at international level so far.
Krezja hasnt even demonstrated he can do that at FC level.
And as Richard said Clarke isnt taking up a spot just on the basis of his bowling and represents far less of a gamble.

I know its not totally fair to compare as two of them are specialist bats who bowl very occasionally and the other two far more regular bowlers, but here are the domestic records of the spinners Australia has brought on tour-

Michael Clarke - 27 FC wickets @37.5, sr 71. 70 OD wickets @29.
Simon Katich - 86 FC wickets @37.4, sr 61. 24 OD wickets @31.
Cameron White - 161 FC wickets @38.4, sr 65. 88 OD wickets @35.
Jason Krejza - 43 FC wickets @50.1, sr 78, 14 OD wickets @31.

 

[four_or_six]

I don't agree, I wasnt claiming he's a world-beater by any stretch, its more me not rating White and Krejza's bowling than being a big fan of Clarke's.
Clarke might not have too many tricks up his sleeve however he generally bowls very accurately, keeps his head when the attack is taken to him and has been able to take advantage of spin-friendly surfaces on a few occasions at international level so far.
Krezja hasnt even demonstrated he can do that at FC level.
And as Richard said Clarke isnt taking up a spot just on the basis of his bowling and represents far less of a gamble.

I know its not totally fair to compare as two of them are specialist bats who bowl very occasionally and the other two far more regular bowlers, but here are the domestic records of the spinners Australia has brought on tour-

Michael Clarke - 27 FC wickets @37.5, sr 71. 70 OD wickets @29.
Simon Katich - 86 FC wickets @37.4, sr 61. 24 OD wickets @31.
Cameron White - 161 FC wickets @38.4, sr 65. 88 OD wickets @35.
Jason Krejza - 43 FC wickets @50.1, sr 78, 14 OD wickets @31.

I think it's also useful that Clarke has bowled 300 overs in ODI cricket. I know it's not the same as a test match, but it means he has plenty of experience at bowling against international batsmen.

ODIs balls: 1772 wkts: 45 best: 5/35 Ave: 33.66 Econ: 5.12 SR: 39.3

 

[andyc]

Not too sure how the selectors can pick Krezja over Casson, citing that his style of bowling is more effective in India, and then pick White instead of Casson as a replacement for McGain. Casson didn't do too badly in the West Indies, and unlike White, he's actually done pretty well this past FC season with the ball, while his batting's been very good as well. Should feel very harshly done by.

 

[pup11]

Not too sure how the selectors can pick Krezja over Casson, citing that his style of bowling is more effective in India, and then pick White instead of Casson as a replacement for McGain. Casson didn't do too badly in the West Indies, and unlike White, he's actually done pretty well this past FC season with the ball, while his batting's been very good as well. Should feel very harshly done by.

Aussie selectors feel (or atleast that's what they have been trying to explain) that Casson is a spinner with some talent but its raw talent, so they didn't want to push him into the deep end yet resulting in ruining him as a bowler, so they picked two spinners with whom they had nothing much to loose even if they were to be tormented by the Indian batsmen, but i don't agree with that theory, Casson might be raw and young but he is the best spinner in the country after Bryce McGain and he should have been on the tour all along instead of Krejza, but once McGain went out of the equation atleast then Casson should have replaced him, this tour would have been a good learning curve for Casson even if he would have got whacked all around, so there is no real point in hiding him.

Atm, though he would be finding it hard to understand that why far direr spinners then him (the only Aussie spinner with a central contract) are getting to play for the Australian test team, despite him having made a decent test debut and also having had a decent time of it during the last leg of the FC season with both bat and ball.

 

[Richard]

Aussie selectors feel (or atleast that's what they have been trying to explain) that Casson is a spinner with some talent but its raw talent, so they didn't want to push him into the deep end yet resulting in ruining him as a bowler

In which case it begs the question of why he toured West Indies, let alone played in a Test.

I'm sure the intention wasn't for him to play at the start of the tour, the presumption presumably being that MacGill would play the lot, but if so why didn't they just play four seamers in the Third Test?

If he could tour West Indies with the intention of not playing, why not the same in India?

 

[pup11]

In which case it begs the question of why he toured West Indies, let alone played in a Test.

I'm sure the intention wasn't for him to play at the start of the tour, the presumption presumably being that MacGill would play the lot, but if so why didn't they just play four seamers in the Third Test?

If he could tour West Indies with the intention of not playing, why not the same in India?

I think it had more to do with him having to bowl to the Indian batsmen, who could be ruthlessly cold in beating the living day lights out of spinner, so that's the way probably the selectors think and that's why probably they are hesitant over sending him to India,

As for Casson playing in West Indies, the conditions in West Indies weren't too seamer friendly, so they probably felt the need for a spinner, and since in the absence of MacGill he was the only spinner around in the squad he made his debut.

 

[NUFAN]

I agree that's what the selectors were thinking, but ffs you can't just pick a worse player to protect another player. Casson could bowl well and he'd be capable of doing decent at 8.

I spose with White we'll have a good slip fielder and he might be able to help out the captain with some tactics as he does a fair job for his state.

 

[Richard]

Casson could bowl well

DWTA, emphatically.