pasag
RTDAS
I think it is significant, a stable team around you is a good thing and let's you focus on your batting. A team that has just been torn apart isn't. It's a team sport after all and these things are important, IMO.
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'Fab five' told to plan for retirement
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Precambrian
Banned
Now Kumble also vehemently denies any talk of retirement, and all this is creation of media. Can we stop now please?
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Why? There are still several valid reasons to continue the discussion...The fact that so many players are coming out and denying it actually opens up more avenues to be discussed.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It needn't be torn apart. I view it as a clean break, personally. A wonderful opportunity for several unproven players to show their worth.
I'd define an unstable team, on the other hand, as one containing several players who knew they were to be gone soon.
Cricket may be a team sport and a stable team wishing you well as you prepare to walk to the middle may help a little, but at the end of the day it's one against one once you're out there, and once the batsman is on strike, he and he alone can do what must be done.
pup11
International Coach
Why the hell do you such a soft spot for BCCI they are ****ty organisation and everyone knows that.
Precambrian
Banned
There is absolutely no basis for such a case, and a pity discussions are made based on false and stupid media reports. Unless of course, if it's your pet thing to bash BCCI. For that there are infinitely more avenues.
G.I.Joe
International Coach
I agree. The passing on of knowledge and advice is what will enable youngsters starting off in established cricketing teams to make progress better than their counterparts in teams like, say Bangladesh, who have no greats in their teams for the said youngsters to learn from. A mass exodus would tend to lead to something resembling the latter situation.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
I would say there is a huge basis on which to continue the discussion on the Subject to be honest. There is no smoke without fire in most cases such as this, and even if it is a totally unfounded claim which turns out to be entirely false there is still no harm in discussing it.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
... doesn't need players to be in the team to happen. You can pass on knowledge and advice any time, and any player is always free to seek a former player out to gain it. And so many do.
I'm not sure Bangladesh is a good example as near enough every player to play for them has simply not been good enough.
It doesn't seem to have done for Australia. The replacement players, like Jaques and Haddin, are capable players and hence they've had success (so far).
Precambrian
Banned
Why you have such a soft spot for Australia despite having lived in India?
Answer would be 'it's my personal wish'.
But that's not exactly mine, i care two hoots for that muddy incompetent visionless moneyminded board called BCCI. However, i believe in discussions based on facts than jus rumours. And this one is jus that. What next? BCCI is secretly funding terrorism in Pakistan?
pasag
RTDAS
True but on the other hand there's the incredible amount of time spent with the team as a unit away from the pitch and those things do contribute to how well a player plays and how a team performs on the whole. In an ideal world it wouldn't matter, but it does.
pasag
RTDAS
Nah, no way. There's no chance that the help that these players can give the kids wouldn't be far superior if they were in the same team attending every training session together and spending hours in the dressing room with one another as opposed to a chat or session here or there.
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sledger
Spanish_Vicente
G.I.Joe
International Coach
Well, recently retired/forced out players tend to take time off from the game entirely for a fair while. Besides, stalking the retired players and sucking out their brains isn't the same as a young batsman facing a situation where the opposition bowlers have your team at 10/3 and him desperately looking around the dressing room for any sort of advice and finding no one there to offer it.
That is true, but the Aussies still have Ponting and Hayden to turn to. Rohit Sharma would have.....Sehwag. With all due respect to him, an instinctive batsman isn't the best person to turn to for technical advice and the sort.
G.I.Joe
International Coach
Yeah, one just needs to look at the concept of internships in any field in the workplace. Staying on the job with veterans of the trade is vastly superior to just spending a few hours a month with them in an informal setting.
pup11
International Coach
If you find the topic of discussion dire or lame, you are more then welcome to ignore this thread, but you can't possibly tell other forum members to stop discussing about a topic just because you don't think the topic is worth discussing.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Gee I smell sycophancy here, it is alright if you didn't think that James' post was trollish and I am with you on that but what has that got to do with his ownership of the forum ? If this thread was started by someone else, there was a good possibility that the thread starter would have been mocked in some ways or another.Haha, what are you on about? Not to mention the absurdity of accusing the owner and guy who pays the bills around here of trolling his own website
If I am not mistaken, James was posting here as just another member of the forum. Yeah he pays his bills, So ?
If anything, I think those who mocked/attacked Pnottath for questioning this thread ,merely because James was the owner of this site, owe an apology to him . After all this topic has been beaten to death and is being discussed in one form or another in pretty much every India related thread.
pasag
RTDAS
It's two points a) it's not trollish and b) it's pretty dire accusing the owner of the forum of that. At the end of the day the guy puts in so much time and effort to make it possible for us to be able to come together and discuss these things that to get accused of being a troll for merely posting a link on his forum of something he read in the paper is a bit of a slap in the face.
pup11
International Coach
AWTA, well said mate.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
@pasag
a. It is not trollish in your opinion, but it is possible someone else might believe otherwise, still I am with you and support you, if you disagree with him on that.
b. Not everyone here knows that James is the owner, especially the newer members. Not that it should matter
c. James puts in so much time and effort for this site is well acknowledged on this forum, but at the end of the day it is his choice to put up this website on Internet. You must not forget that this site does so well because of the members of this forum. There are 100s of internet forums but they dont have members like CW. CW is so good more because of its members and because the place allows its members to speak their minds. If we are all to bow down to the masters that work hard for this site then I am sorry, you are in the wrong business. This is not an appreciation society.
d. Lastly, You could have disagreed with Pnottath and argued why this post was not a troll. you are totally over-reacting, a lot more than pnottath, If James felt that way, he is more than capable of defending himself. But you defending him mainly because he is the owner of this site and what not and that is a very discouraging sign.
a. It is not trollish in your opinion, but it is possible someone else might believe otherwise, still I am with you and support you, if you disagree with him on that.
b. Not everyone here knows that James is the owner, especially the newer members. Not that it should matter
c. James puts in so much time and effort for this site is well acknowledged on this forum, but at the end of the day it is his choice to put up this website on Internet. You must not forget that this site does so well because of the members of this forum. There are 100s of internet forums but they dont have members like CW. CW is so good more because of its members and because the place allows its members to speak their minds. If we are all to bow down to the masters that work hard for this site then I am sorry, you are in the wrong business. This is not an appreciation society.
d. Lastly, You could have disagreed with Pnottath and argued why this post was not a troll. you are totally over-reacting, a lot more than pnottath, If James felt that way, he is more than capable of defending himself. But you defending him mainly because he is the owner of this site and what not and that is a very discouraging sign.