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Symonds sent home

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Symonds is probably a dick. Articles like this are trash, though. The last parts are particularly egregious, don't find them particularly professional.

The part about him being physically confronted is the bit which surprises me and makes me wonder why Symonds would take such a dislike. I've been out and seen Symonds around the Adelaide pub scene quite a few times. In a big group with his mates (rowdy types like Andy Bichel and Jimmy Maher), Symonds was always that bloke either having a quiet convo with someone or sitting in a corner sipping his beer. Can tell you the whole group was usually getting sauced and pretty billigerent and certainly Symonds would get louder as he got drunker but never too bad, certainly nothing compared to some of the places I've been. If Malcolm Conn is threatened by Symonds', I'd suggest it's not without reason.
Absolutely spot on. While I agree with the punishment Symonds got, it is just pathetic to see media doing a character assassination of the guy. No ones wants to be left behind. The amount of crap these journos write, I am surprised that they have the courage to go to bars.
 

pup11

International Coach
Symonds is probably a dick. Articles like this are trash, though. The last parts are particularly egregious, don't find them particularly professional.

The part about him being physically confronted is the bit which surprises me and makes me wonder why Symonds would take such a dislike. I've been out and seen Symonds around the Adelaide pub scene quite a few times. In a big group with his mates (rowdy types like Andy Bichel and Jimmy Maher), Symonds was always that bloke either having a quiet convo with someone or sitting in a corner sipping his beer. Can tell you the whole group was usually getting sauced and pretty billigerent and certainly Symonds would get louder as he got drunker but never too bad, certainly nothing compared to some of the places I've been. If Malcolm Conn is threatened by Symonds', I'd suggest it's not without reason.
As you said some of the articles regarding Symonds have been crap, any journo who dislikes Symonds has just poured in all their venom into their articles, they are just trying to pull him down as much as possible, as they know in the current scenrio anything written about him would easily be beleived by anybody who reads that.
 

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Absolutely spot on. While I agree with the punishment Symonds got, it is just pathetic to see media doing a character assassination of the guy. No ones wants to be left behind. The amount of crap these journos write, I am surprised that they have the courage to go to bars.
Matter of time before another player comes along, gets pillored in the media for something like this then kills himself? Not all that likely but a possibility. Imagine the fall-out from that.

As you said some of the articles regarding Symonds have been crap, any journo who dislikes Symonds has just poured in all their venom into their articles, they are just trying to pull him down as much as possible, as they know in the current scenrio anything written about him would easily be beleived by anybody who reads that.
Some? I'd hazard that most have been rubbish. Haven't seen one I can think of that hasn't taken several pot-shots at Symonds. Whether people think the punishment was just or not, I can't remember having seen such vitriol directed at a sportsperson. As bad as Symonds is, surely he can't have been as disliked as Steve Waugh was yet in the press, Waugh was nothing short of a saint. They're ganging up on Symonds for some reason and I've never read of heard anthing which makes believe he's any worse a guy than many, many other top-level sportspeople.
 

howardj

International Coach
Yep, it's a massive conspiracy. Three different journalists, over the last 12 months (guys who actually have access to him and travel with him) have colluded together seeking to defame Symonds just for the hell of it. He's really a top bloke who is hard done by.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yep, it's a massive conspiracy. Three different journalists, over the last 12 months (guys who actually have access to him and travel with him) have colluded together seeking to defame Symonds just for the hell of it. He's really a top bloke who is hard done by.
There is more than sufficient evidence to label Malcolm Conn as a jerk

And btw, comparing Symonds to Mugabe's henchmen is only a a teensy weensy bit over the top dont you think?

The fact is that the SL tour to which he refers was when Symonds replaced Katich and failed. Several members of the media took it upon themselves to stick the boot into Symonds from day one so he told this guy to go jump

Yep, that's right up there with genocide for mine
 

social

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Matter of time before another player comes along, gets pillored in the media for something like this then kills himself? Not all that likely but a possibility. Imagine the fall-out from that.



Some? I'd hazard that most have been rubbish. Haven't seen one I can think of that hasn't taken several pot-shots at Symonds. Whether people think the punishment was just or not, I can't remember having seen such vitriol directed at a sportsperson. As bad as Symonds is, surely he can't have been as disliked as Steve Waugh was yet in the press, Waugh was nothing short of a saint. They're ganging up on Symonds for some reason and I've never read of heard anthing which makes believe he's any worse a guy than many, many other top-level sportspeople.
Exactly

Now we are talking about a really unpleasant piece of work
 

howardj

International Coach
There is more than sufficient evidence to label Malcolm Conn as a jerk

And btw, comparing Symonds to Mugabe's henchmen is only a a teensy weensy bit over the top dont you think?

The fact is that the SL tour to which he refers was when Symonds replaced Katich and failed. Several members of the media took it upon themselves to stick the boot into Symonds from day one so he told this guy to go jump

Yep, that's right up there with genocide for mine
There was no comparison. Merely the recalling of two different instances when he felt unsafe. Why on earth would you defend such an obviously unpleasant person. When your own teammates turn on you, that may (to anyone with even a hint of self awareness) tell you something.

So, we have three journos, his own teammates, management, CA and the coach thinking that Symonds is out of order. It must be that they are all wrong (all people that actually spend time with him rather than just watch him on TV) and he is hard done by. Or maybe there is no conspiracy and he actually is a jerk.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Matter of time before another player comes along, gets pillored in the media for something like this then kills himself? Not all that likely but a possibility. Imagine the fall-out from that.
While it would be a great tragedy and a huge shock to the sporting and media world, the criticism that these journalists are getting from CW is a little silly, as some people don't appear to know about the freedom of speech. Not aiming with directly at you either mate, just a general sort of comment. Journalists can write anything they want provided their editors will publish it, and that's fair enough. Obviously some publications and writers gain notoriety for not being as 'professional' as others, but they've still got every entitlement to give their opinion however they want, so long as they aren't just making things up.

Before people read the articles and get wound up, perhaps they need to take a look at the writers reputation and then decide whether it's worth it.
 

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So, we have three journos, his own teammates, management, CA and the coach thinking that Symonds is out of order. It must be that they are all wrong (all people that actually spend time with him rather than just watch him on TV) and he is hard done by. Or maybe there is no conspiracy and he actually is a jerk.
Never said he wasn't a jerk. Just saying he seems to be gathering a disproportionate amount of attention for being a jerk than the other jerks he plays with and past jerks, none of whom are any worse a jerk than he is and penis.

Sure journo's can write what they want. They just shouldn't then get all uppity about being booted from the inner-sanctum.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Its true that journalists can go to extremes at times to beat a man mercilessly when he is down. Villains make more news in todays warped world than heroes. But surely it should be possible to look at this thing directly and not through the eyes of the media.

Someone ( a group of people) decided what Symonds did was wrong. This group of people felt his act was serious. This group considered this was the last straw in a string of acts of indiscipline/irresponsibility. This group felt that he had to be given a stronger message than on earlier occasions since it hadn't worked. This group decided to send him away from the team. This group consisted of the manager, the captain and the stand-in captain. There is no media person in this group.

We should ignore what the media says , one way or the other, but we have to put trust in someone. Surely we cant behave like the woman who seeing her son at the parade of the boy scouts said ."Just look at my son, he is the only one in step !"
 

Precambrian

Banned
Its true that journalists can go to extremes at times to beat a man mercilessly when he is down. Villains make more news in todays warped world than heroes. But surely it should be possible to look at this thing directly and not through the eyes of the media.

Someone ( a group of people) decided what Symonds did was wrong. This group of people felt his act was serious. This group considered this was the last straw in a string of acts of indiscipline/irresponsibility. This group felt that he had to be given a stronger message than on earlier occasions since it hadn't worked. This group decided to send him away from the team. This group consisted of the manager, the captain and the stand-in captain. There is no media person in this group.

We should ignore what the media says , one way or the other, but we have to put trust in someone. Surely we cant behave like the woman who seeing her son at the parade of the boy scouts said ."Just look at my son, he is the only one in step !"
To sum up,

The cap is right, the coach is right,

To hell with the yellow Journos. (Never liked Malcolm Conn, if i'd ever see him, i'd kick him right him in the balls, I've saved up for solicitors for that)

Andrew needs a break and gather himself.
 

pup11

International Coach
The common perception among the cricket fans and journos alike about Symonds is that he is a jerk, but for me the prime reason for that is that he has a different sort of personality to him, he has got a dry humour and he is not always politically correct, and to top it all he has done a few stupid things too, so due to all that he becomes a kind of soft target, for anybody who wants to darg him down.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
This is too ridiculous for words

"Brown reiterated CA wanted Symonds back, in the right frame of mind. "All of us want him back in the team. Andrew is an outstanding player."

He said Symonds must undertake "professional help" in coming weeks, to assess his commitment and desire to play in the international arena, and CA would be guided by "the advice we receive from the professional process" before taking further action."



Runs wont do it, wickets wont do it, fielding wont do it but giving the right answers to a bunch of bs questions will determine whether Symonds "wants" to play for Australia

For Symonds sake, I hope these sessions dont take place anytime soon as you'd have to be far more politically correct than he appears to be in order to stop telling these wankers to **** right off
 

pup11

International Coach
This is too ridiculous for words

"Brown reiterated CA wanted Symonds back, in the right frame of mind. "All of us want him back in the team. Andrew is an outstanding player."

He said Symonds must undertake "professional help" in coming weeks, to assess his commitment and desire to play in the international arena, and CA would be guided by "the advice we receive from the professional process" before taking further action."



Runs wont do it, wickets wont do it, fielding wont do it but giving the right answers to a bunch of bs questions will determine whether Symonds "wants" to play for Australia

For Symonds sake, I hope these sessions dont take place anytime soon as you'd have to be far more politically correct than he appears to be in order to stop telling these wankers to **** right off
No.. seriously what are CA trying to achieve by humiliating Symonds publicly, this has to stop, has anybody heard Symonds utter a single word in the media or rebel against CA in any given way, so why are these morons trying to blow up the whole issue to massive proportions, after reading this, i think its CA who needs "professional help" and not Symonds.
 
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social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
No.. seriously what are CA trying to achieve by humiliating Symonds so publicly, this has to stop, has anybody heard Symonds utter a single word in the media or rebel against CA in any given way, so why are these morons trying to blow up the whole issue to massive proportions, after reading this, i think its CA who needs "professional help" and not Symonds.
It's all about limiting their liability

As his employer, CA has a duty of care towards Symonds

Never mind that it got bugger all to do with on field performances and never mind that 2 of his closest mates (Watson and Hayden) have both publicly stated that they've seen no change in him (which, mind you, is the problem for CA but not such a big deal when he's scoring 100s against India rather than playing a minnow)

CA wants drones in the mould of Michael Clarke

But hey, never mind that our new captain cant buy a run against Bangla- friggin-desh because he "presents himself" and "wants" to play
 

howardj

International Coach
This is too ridiculous for words

"Brown reiterated CA wanted Symonds back, in the right frame of mind. "All of us want him back in the team. Andrew is an outstanding player."

He said Symonds must undertake "professional help" in coming weeks, to assess his commitment and desire to play in the international arena, and CA would be guided by "the advice we receive from the professional process" before taking further action."



Runs wont do it, wickets wont do it, fielding wont do it but giving the right answers to a bunch of bs questions will determine whether Symonds "wants" to play for Australia

For Symonds sake, I hope these sessions dont take place anytime soon as you'd have to be far more politically correct than he appears to be in order to stop telling these wankers to **** right off
So, on the one hand, you blow up about Slater not receiving professional help when you claim he needed it. And yet, on the other hand, when CA offer professional help to Symonds it's somehow wrong? I'm not sure what the guy needs, but clearly going fishing when you know a team meeting is on, is not a normal way for a member of a professional team to act. Nor has he, according to his teammates, been acting normally for quite some time. Again, I would trust the judgement of people like Ponting and Clarke more than I would most others, especially guys who haven't been around the team.
 

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