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***Official*** English Domestic Season 2008

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TT Boy

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superkingdave

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can't get a game thanks to our dire selectors, did well in his stint at Leicestershire and still a gun in OD cricket. Will be in the side next year or at a different county, we've held him back long enough. Its not like he's performed worse than others when he's been in the side, its more the 'experience' love shown by the watkinson administration.
 

steds

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Tom Smith?

http://content-eap.cricinfo.com/england/content/player/21447.html

If so he was once a highly touted bowler but he seems to have fallen by the wayside in the past twelve months. The last I saw of him he was bowling at around 75mph and his batting was looking to have the more life.
You don't seem to know that much about him tbh. Was touted as a genuine allrounder but his batting has only seemed to start coming on at County level recently, so his batting looking to have more life isn't really a surprise, or really a problem. Infact, I heard people when he first broke in to the Lancs side who considered him a better bat than a bowler, so it's not a surprise at all.
He's never bowled at much more than mid 70s so I don't know why you've noted it. It's not as if he's suddenly lost two or three yards of pace. It is a problem if he wants to play at the highest level though.
And if "fallen by the wayside" means having his development stunted by getting ignored in favour of far less talented bowlers such as Newby and Hogg, then yes, he's fallen by the wayside.
 

steds

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Don't know how I managed to write that. Done nothing but drink and watch rugby for 2 days. Haven't got no sleep eiter. Apologies if it makes no sense.
 

TT Boy

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You don't seem to know that much about him tbh. Was touted as a genuine allrounder but his batting has only seemed to start coming on at County level recently, so his batting looking to have more life isn't really a surprise, or really a problem. Infact, I heard people when he first broke in to the Lancs side who considered him a better bat than a bowler, so it's not a surprise at all.
He's never bowled at much more than mid 70s so I don't know why you've noted it. It's not as if he's suddenly lost two or three yards of pace. It is a problem if he wants to play at the highest level though.
And if "fallen by the wayside" means having his development stunted by getting ignored in favour of far less talented bowlers such as Newby and Hogg, then yes, he's fallen by the wayside.
I watched Tom Smith two years ago bowl at 80mph + and was a frontline seamer. I saw Smith this year bowl Collingwood medium pace with the keeper stood up and was only on whilst the South Africans took a break.
 
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stumpski

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Anyone understand the result from Scarborough? Yorkshire made 230-6 from their full 40; Glamorgan had made 106-6 from 14 (only two bowlers used, so presumably they had 40 available when they started) when the rain came. Result: Glamorgan (set 184) lose by 95 runs. :huh:

Whether the D/L score was 184 or 201, it seems ridiculously steep for 14 overs. I suppose it's meant to reflect that they'd lost six wickets though.

Edit: it's been altered now to a more sensible-looking 49-run win.
 
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Neil Pickup

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Anyone understand the result from Scarborough? Yorkshire made 230-6 from their full 40; Glamorgan had made 106-6 from 14 (only two bowlers used, so presumably they had 40 available when they started) when the rain came. Result: Glamorgan (set 184) lose by 95 runs. :huh:

Whether the D/L score was 184 or 201, it seems ridiculously steep for 14 overs. I suppose it's meant to reflect that they'd lost six wickets though.

Edit: it's been altered now to a more sensible-looking 49-run win.
Glamogran 135/7 off 29.2, lose by 49 runs: means that under D/L they would need to be 184/7 after 29.2 to tie under D/L.
 

Richard

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Sussex demonstrate lack of basic common-sense - signing Mohammad Sami is bad enough as a move to attempt to ensure on-field success, but that's yet another ICL player on the books of a county. 8-) Let's hope it's just a short-term thing.
 

zaremba

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Sussex demonstrate lack of basic common-sense - signing Mohammad Sami is bad enough as a move to attempt to ensure on-field success, but that's yet another ICL player on the books of a county. 8-) Let's hope it's just a short-term thing.
Sami is a signing born of Sussex's lack of a pace bowler. Collymore, Lewry, RMJ and their support bowlers are all decent but there's no-one with any real pace. That's one thing that Sami ought to bring. And there is a history at Sussex of bringing the best out of players, Mushy being an excellent case in point. Frankly, that will need to happen because his record is uninspiring.

Along with almost all other cricket fans, I really couldn't give a flying F whether he's played in the ICL. Shock stories along the lines of "Cricketer seeks to play cricket for money" have never had much impact since, er, the 18th century and certainly since 1978.
 

fredfertang

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Sami is a signing born of Sussex's lack of a pace bowler. Collymore, Lewry, RMJ and their support bowlers are all decent but there's no-one with any real pace. That's one thing that Sami ought to bring. And there is a history at Sussex of bringing the best out of players, Mushy being an excellent case in point. Frankly, that will need to happen because his record is uninspiring.

Along with almost all other cricket fans, I really couldn't give a flying F whether he's played in the ICL. Shock stories along the lines of "Cricketer seeks to play cricket for money" have never had much impact since, er, the 18th century and certainly since 1978.
Yes real pace helps - look what Lancs have achieved with Saj as our spearhead
 

Richard

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Sami is a signing born of Sussex's lack of a pace bowler. Collymore, Lewry, RMJ and their support bowlers are all decent but there's no-one with any real pace. That's one thing that Sami ought to bring. And there is a history at Sussex of bringing the best out of players, Mushy being an excellent case in point. Frankly, that will need to happen because his record is uninspiring.

Along with almost all other cricket fans, I really couldn't give a flying F whether he's played in the ICL. Shock stories along the lines of "Cricketer seeks to play cricket for money" have never had much impact since, er, the 18th century and certainly since 1978.
What cricket fans care about is not of importance - it's what having yet more ICL players in the county game does to the ECB's like-it-or-not-exceptionally-important relationship with the BCCI, who don't seem to grasp the fact that neither they nor the ECB can do a thing about British and European laws.

As for Sami the bowler, he's woeful. One of the worst Test bowlers ever and though he's had some success in domestic cricket his international days really did reveal a dreadful bowler. Nor have I seen him bowl especially fast (90mph) for some years now and he may well be pushing or over 30 anyway.
 

vic_orthdox

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With everyone presuming it's Lancashire's Tom Smith, the right-arm seamer, I might note that there's another Tom Smith, a Sussex left-arm fingerspinner. I would indeed imagine it'd be Lancashire's much-mucked-about lad who'll be the one in question though.
Pretty sure it would be the Lanc, because Cross has come out here before and he's a Lanc (unless I'm mistaken), so you'd assume that the other Englishman would come out through that same tie.
 

Jungle Jumbo

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Pretty sure it would be the Lanc, because Cross has come out here before and he's a Lanc (unless I'm mistaken), so you'd assume that the other Englishman would come out through that same tie.
Are St Kilda a first grade club Jack? Because if so, I can't see the likes of Cross and Smith being standout talents. Cross certainly played in the Cheshire Premier when not on Lancashire duty this year and was an good, rather than outstanding, batsman.
 

superkingdave

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Are St Kilda a first grade club Jack? Because if so, I can't see the likes of Cross and Smith being standout talents. Cross certainly played in the Cheshire Premier when not on Lancashire duty this year and was an good, rather than outstanding, batsman.
St Kilda are a first grade club (well they have other grades as well). Cross has played for them before in 05-06 IIRC and did okay. It would be strange for both of them to play at the same place because only one overseas player can play in each grade iirc
 

Richard

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And finally, comes the news we've all been waiting for.

County-vs-UCCE games scrapped. This particular report doesn't mention it, but hopefully the nonsense of Oxford Uni vs Cambridge Uni Varsity matches being classed as First-Class and List-A OD games will be stopped as well.

The tradition will have a swansong in 2009. But the real absurdity of such games having First-Class status is for mine best summed-up by this: in this season's averages, there are 6 bowlers (plus 1 part-timer) who average 20 or less thanks to playing their only game of the season against UCCE opposition. IE, despite doing well in these UCCE games, they've been unable to find a first-team spot for the rest of the season. So a) the counties take success against UCCEs with no seriousness whatsoever and b) they take the UCCEs so un-seriously that they field players who no matter what aren't going to play first-team cricket again that season.

And perhaps even more riduculously, there are also two students who average under 20.

Just a bit of a shame things can't be retrospectively re-applied I suppose, but you can't win 'em all. :p

Oh yeah - and there are quite enough games in the season as it is with this EPL lark coming-up soon, without pointless outmatching "match"-ups to add to.
 
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